Tactics Level II - FOF (F.I.R.E. Institute, www.fireinstitute.org, 505 Mosside Blvd (Rt 48), N. Versailles, Pennsylvania, $300): October 31st, 2009

[LittleRedToyota]

i'll be sending in my check soon.

it was a toss up for me between this class and randy cain's CQH class (i can only afford to take one of the two this year). but i have a schedule conflict with the CQH class anyway, so i hope this class ends up happening.

i hope randy comes back for the CQH class next year, too, as i really want to take that class as well.

[Shawn.L]

Originally Posted by LittleRedToyota

i'll be sending in my check soon.

it was a toss up for me between this class and randy cain's CQH class (i can only afford to take one of the two this year). but i have a schedule conflict with the CQH class anyway, so i hope this class ends up happening.

i hope randy comes back for the CQH class next year, too, as i really want to take that class as well.

scheduling the CQH is going to be hard. I'm not sure I will be able to do it.

If not I am going to schedule this one.

yeah, the odds of me being able to pull off both is slim.

If I cant make this course (Tactics II) then I could volunteer to help out on the range for a day or two with the set up and such.

[PeteG]

Originally Posted by Shawn.L

If I cant make this course (Tactics II) then I could volunteer to help out on the range for a day or two with the set up and such.

We would be glad to have you. We need role players in most scenarios. We need bystanders, bad guys, good guys, pain-in-the-a-- officious intermeddlers with CCW's ...

In essence, all those paper people in the mall scene from Tactics I are real people in Tactics II.

If you can schedule Randy Cain's course, I recommend you do so. You will get a lot out of being a role player in Tactics II (without even having to pay for the course). That way, you will maximize your training time and money.

I know when I am a role player I learn a LOT about how people react to things, and what works. I am very often amazed at what I can get away with, and always impressed at people who do it right. (Hint: a good flashlight is your best friend.)

Peter

[PeteG]

Originally Posted by LittleRedToyota

i'll be sending in my check soon.

it was a toss up for me between this class and randy cain's CQH class (i can only afford to take one of the two this year). but i have a schedule conflict with the CQH class anyway, so i hope this class ends up happening.

i hope randy comes back for the CQH class next year, too, as i really want to take that class as well.

Randy will come back as often as we have enough people to fill a course. But, notice, its the same dozen or so people who keep signing up for things.

[PeteG]

NOTICE THERE HAS BEEN A CHANGE IN THE COURSE DESCRIPTION.

We have received a great number of requests for a version of this course that can be done over a week-end. The concern, obviously, is time off work.

We have, therefore, decided to run the course this October with a two day format. We will run on Saturday and on Sunday. We will also run a night segment.

The night segments of these courses are vitally important. Because the simulated munitions we use do not cause any report, we can extend the night session beyond 9:00 p.m. without violating zoning regulations. Therefore, we have determined to adapt the schedule as follows:

Saturday: 9:30 a.m. start. Finish about 5:30 p.m.

Sunday: NOON start. Break for an dinner on Sunday, at about 4:00 p.m. (One can stay at the range and eat a box dinner, or come to local place and eat with the group.) Reconvene from 6:00 p.m. to about 10:00 p.m.

Those of who have already signed up for the 3-day version, please let us know whether you want a refund of your tuition, or if you wish to attend the 2-day version and get a partial refund. The tuition difference is $140 ($300 instead of $440).

[Shawn.L]

the 2-day format makes it much more likely I will be able to attend this course.

[Shawn.L]

Pete,
did I hear you right this weekend that this class would be open without having had Tactics I ???

I am guessing the normal basic pistol requirement will be in place?

I have had Tactics I (it was fantastic) but this may open this up to more participants.

[PeteG]

Originally Posted by Shawn.L

Pete,
did I hear you right this weekend that this class would be open without having had Tactics I ???

I am guessing the normal basic pistol requirement will be in place?

I have had Tactics I (it was fantastic) but this may open this up to more participants.

In the past, we have had a lot of people who wanted to sign up for Tactics II, thinking Tactics I was not sufficiently challenging for them. Because it was not a safety issue (the prior formal hand-gun training is NOT waived), we would let some in who had alternate forms of experience. Then they would have no idea how to respond to architectural barriers, police inquiries, etc., and were not used to having to make decisions, move, issue commands ... they were just in over thier heads.

Our concern was that they were wasting their money by moving to a course for which they were not prepared. So we put in the prerequsite, knowing those who would enroll would get more out of the course if they had some idea how to react when they got there. Experience bore out our theory.

Unfortunately, not enough people sign up for Tactics I to have a pool of trainees capable of taking Tactics II. As I said, there are no safety issues associated with not having the prerequsite for Tactics II (live fire only occurs on a square range), wo we dropped the prerequsite for this shortened course format.

Maybe standing there not knowing what to do will at least finally get the point across: there is trained and there is clueless - those are the only two options - you get to choose which you are going to be, but option number one is only available if you do the work.

[Shawn.L]

well, it doesnt look like the money will be available for me to take this. But I will gladly volunteer. Unsure at this point if I can make both days or not.