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LAW GOVERNING THE USE OF DEADLY FORCE IN PENNA.
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November 12th, 2011
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Trainer: Pennsylvania Firearms Development Corporation
Website: see www.fireinstitute.org
Address: 1150 Banksville Road
City: Pittsburgh
State: Pennsylvania
Cost: $90

In response to a number of questions raised in recent pistol courses regarding the use of deadly force, I will be offering a one-day (six hour) course on the topic this coming November. It will be held on Saturday, November 12, in Pittsburgh. Details follow:

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COURSE ANNOUNCEMENT:
LAW GOVERNING THE USE OF DEADLY FORCE
IN PENNSYLVANIA
NOVEMBER 12, 2011 – 9:30 A.M. TO 5:00 P.M.

Day's Inn of Pittsburgh, 1150 Banksville Road, Pgh. PA. 15216 (412) 531-8900

“Self Defense” is a principal which people who carry weapons or learn a martial art seem to take for granted. But how much do you really know about the law which justifies the use of deadly force on another human being?

Legal justification of the use of deadly force is a very complicated and often highly technical subject. It is not as simple as “If I fear for my life or the life I am justified in using deadly force.” (There are circumstances where one will be not be regarded in law as having been justified in using deadly force, even though one may have been in fear for his or her life at the moment they resorted to deadly force.) Nor is the question necessarily settled by the “Castle doctrine” or one’s duty to retreat. Being wrong will be a life-changing event. Hesitation caused by uncertainty can be a life-ending event. Given the stakes, have you put sufficient time into learning the applicable law and principles?

As subject associated with firearms, edged weapons and martial arts, the use of deadly force is one of those topics which attracts attention from individuals who are simply not knowledgeable. Internet commentators, bar-stool barristers and even a lot of trainers and instructors who have no legal background hold forth with an air of great authority. But not one of them is ever in a position to be called to account for what they say when part of their audience lands in a courtroom.

To address this problem, the Pennsylvania Firearms Development Corporation (PFDC) has put together a six hour course of instruction, taught by Peter Georgiades. Mr. Georgiades is a working attorney, an experienced instructor in law, a firearms instructor and practicing martial artist. The course is designed for lay people who possess firearms or study a martial art in contemplation of possibly having to use deadly force to defend themselves or their loved ones from a potentially lethal threat.

This course is designed to do two things. First, it will address general principals which one may internalize, so as to minimize the chances of making a tragic error during an emergency. Second, it will provide detailed information about specific laws,, rules and doctrines which will assist in planning for an emergency.

The course will address the following topics:
Defining "force" and "deadly force."
The history of the legal defense of justification, and how it relates to “self defense”
Statutory codification of deadly force principles in Pennsylvania
Consequences of being wrong (civil and criminal exposure)
Consequences of being right (the need to prove your case and avoid “talking your way into jail”)
Circumstances affecting the lawfulness of a use of deadly force:
Protection of self
Protection of others
Protection of property
Use of force to make or resist arrest
Use of force to maintain order by those charged with the care of others
Duty to retreat
Confinement as deadly force
Issues regarding the rendering of aid following the use of deadly force
How it all plays out (review of actual fact situations in previously decided Pa. cases)
Cost: The cost is $90 with advance enrollment. The cost will be $110 at the door, space permitting, and assuming we have sufficient enrollment for the course to proceed. (It’s best to enroll in advance.)

Course format: The course will consist of straightforward explanation of what the governing statutes provide, how the law works, what the current rules are and how to stay out of unnecessary trouble. There will be three hours of discussion in the morning and three hours in the afternoon, with a one-hour break for lunch, and 15 minute breaks in the morning and in the afternoon. The course will run from 9:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. Principles will be illustrated using actual cases and statutes (as opposed to theories, local myth or ideology). There will be substantial time for questions and discussion.

Class size: The number of participants will be limited to at least 12, and not more than 20. This will assure ample time for individual questions and interaction.

Faculty: PETER GEORGIADES is an attorney with 34 years of litigation experience, licensed to practice law in Arizona, Pennsylvania and the District of Columbia. His practice includes advising clients with respect to various aspects of firearms law. Peter has been an instructor in law at the National Law Center of the George Washington University and the former Graduate School of Industrial Administration at Carnegie-Mellon University. He is an experienced firearms instructor (NRA certified to instruct in rifle, pistol, shotgun and personal protection; State of Arizona CCW instructor certificate No. 8769268; member of the International Ass'n. of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors (IALEFI); and instructor in carbine and defensive tactics since 1997). Peter is a judoka, holding the rank of Sandan (3rd Degree Black Belt), is a two-time medalist at the USA Senior National Judo Championships (2005 and 2007), and a gold medalist at USJA state championships (2009, 2011).

HARRY SCHNEIDER is the Legislative Chairman of the Pennsylvania Sportsmen's Association (PSA). He is experienced at writing bills and analyzing legislation, and has been active in the advancement of the interests of firearms owners in the Pennsylvania. His work includes assistance in writing and passing amendments to firearms laws in Pennsylvania, including statutes governing reciprocity and the 2011 amendments to the statutes governing the use of deadly force. He has attended numerous ATF-PSP Firearms Law Seminars and seminars sponsored by the Pennsylvania Bar Institute, the Federal Bar Association and the NRA. His formal firearms training and experience stretches back 30 years.

Prerequisites: None. Because this course does not involve the handling of weapons or training in the actual application of force, no criminal history check is required, and no age limits apply.

CONTINUING LEGAL EDUCATION CREDITS: 6 hours of substantive CLE credit for members of the Pa. Bar; 6 hours of continuing education credit for NRA law enforcement instructor accreditation. Paperwork will be will be available at the course site.

TO ENROLL:

Download an enrollment form at www.fireinstitute.org, or

Send a letter giving your name and contact information, and a check or money order for $90, payable to “Pennsylvania Firearms Development Corporation.” Mail your check and application to “PFDC, P.O. Box 42398, Pittsburgh, PA 15203.” You will receive an enrollment confirmation by return mail. Enrollment is first-come/first-served.
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We are three weeks out for this course. Here are some updates:

There will be at least one of the individuals who helped write Pennsylvania's "castle doctrine" law present, and we will cover the changes in the law pertaining to duty to retreat and immunity from civil aciton as part of this course.

Contiuing Legal Education credit for attorneys has not yet come through. We expect approval next week, but cannot count on it until we have the paperwork in hand.
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Harry Schneider will be joining the faculty for the course. Harry was involved in the drafting and passage of the "castle doctrine" amendments to Pa. law that went into effect this year.

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HARRY SCHNEIDER is the Legislative Chairman of the Pennsylvania Sportsmen's Association (PSA). He is experienced at writing bills and analyzing legislation, and has been active in the advancement of the interests of firearms owners in the Pennsylvania. His work includes assistance in writing and passing amendments to firearms laws in Pennsylvania, including statutes governing reciprocity and the 2011 amendments to the statutes governing the use of deadly force. He has attended numerous ATF-PSP Firearms Law Seminars and seminars sponsored by the Pennsylvania Bar Institute, the Federal Bar Association and the NRA. His formal firearms training and experience stretches back 30 years.
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This course has been approved for six hours of substantive continuing legal education credit by the Pennsylvanis Continuing Legal Education Board of the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania. Course credit forms will be available on site.
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In order to address the same questions I am receiving from a lot of different people:

1) We fill out a form at the end of the course for those seeking CLE credit for the NRA firearms instructor program or the Allegh. Co. Sheriff's Dep't. uniform division. The course partiicpants then send the forms to whatever place they are told to send them; we do not participate in that process after certifying course attendance.

2) There is a different form for CLE credit for members of the Pennsylvania Bar. It is a form provided by the CLE Board. We verify attendance and the number of hours, then the attorney must send in the form with a check to the CLE Board to cover the assessment per credit.

3) We do not take credit cards. Checks or cash only.

4) One can download an enrollment form at the web site indicated in the course announcement, or send a letter. The letter must give your name, a contact number where we can reach you if anything goes wrong with the course, and a statement whether you are seeking CLE credit for any or all of the above organizations.

5) Enrollment at the door is $110, and is only as space allows.

6) The time is 9:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. (The orignal announcement said 4:30 pm, and that was an error).

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Are you planning on making other stops in PA?
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Are you planning on making other stops in PA?

We are talkiing about going to a Sheriff's Department in Eastern Pa. for the "Pennsylvania Firearms Law" course (which is different than this course, which is focused specifically on the use of deadly force).

Get 20 people together, and we will travel. PM me and we can discuss what would be involved.
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Rats!

The course announcement here (and in a couple of other places) had the wrong PO Box number for people to mail their enrollment materials.

The correct mailing address is PFDC, P.O. Box 42398, Pittsburgh Pa. 15203.

I am not even going to write down the incorrect PO Box, for fear that will only cause more confusion. The last digit on the PO box listed in the flyer was wrong.

If you mailed to the wrong address your stuff is being returned to you by the Post Office. Do not re-mail. The course is only four days away. [b] Just bring the enrollment form and a check to the course on Saturday morning and you will be good to go[ /B]. You will not be considered a "walk on," and the tuition will still be $90.

We will cope.
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