New York: Microstamping legislation passes Assembly

[thefirstndsecond]

Great... I hope this stops dead before it become law. Wake up people, hello a file for a criminal.

Would cost millions to implement - 5$ for a criminal to bypass.

New York: Microstamping legislation passes Assembly

The measure would require semiautomatic pistols manufactured or delivered to a licensed dealer in this state to be capable of microstamping ammunition (A.6468C/Schimel). The bill would ensure that when a gun is fired, information identifying the make, model and serial number of the gun is stamped onto the cartridge.
http://assembly.state.ny.us/Press/20100512/

[Devrbd]

Typical "feel good" legislation at the expense of law-abiding citizens.

Some text from the NY Bill:

the alpha-numeric and geometric code on an expended cartridge casing will provide an initial lead for law enforcement by enabling law enforcement to match the cartridge casing found at a crime to the original owner of the firearm;

So they match the numbers on the spent cartridge to the gun owner in the database that they "don't have". Right?

And if they don't have a database, how is this any better than matching the ballistic fingerprint of the cartridge to the gun?

[NikeBauer21]

Typical "feel good" legislation at the expense of law-abiding citizens.

Some text from the NY Bill:


So they match the numbers on the spent cartridge to the gun owner in the database that they "don't have". Right?

And if they don't have a database, how is this any better than matching the ballistic fingerprint of the cartridge to the gun?

They've been watching too much CSI...

They should do a little research.

MICROSTAMPING
Background: Microstamping is a proposed means for imprinting unique serial numbers onto cartridges fired from a gun. Similar to “ballistic fingerprinting,” it allegedly helps police identify what firearm might have been used in a crime. Microstamping uses precision equipment to remove microscopic amounts of metal from the tip of the firing pin

Myth: Independent testing by forensic technologists shows the technology is reliable

Fact: Firing pins are readily removable and swappable in most models of handguns, and inexpensive replacement parts. Criminals who file down serial numbers on the sides of guns won’t hesitate to file or exchange firing pins.

Fact: 46% of impressions ranked as “unsatisfactory” (i.e., illegible) after only ten rounds.1


Myth: Filing the firing pin will make the gun inoperable

Fact: Firing pins are designed to be pushed deeply into the primer (igniter) of the round. The depth of the engraving (approximately 0.005 inch)2 is vastly smaller than the tolerance of the firing pins drive depth.

Fact: In a test, the engravings were removed using a 50-year-old knife sharpening stone in less than a minute. The firearm still operated correctly after the filing.3

Fact: Even if a criminal does not file down the firing pin, they might retrieve spent cartridges. If they use a revolver, the cartridges stay with the firearm and are rarely recovered by police.


Myth: The cost per firearm will be cheap

Fact: The National Shooting Sports Foundation, the representative for firearm manufactures, estimates the cost will be upwards of $150 per firearm, more than tripling the price of self protection and making it unaffordable for low-income people.4 The Brady Campaign dispute those with firearm manufacturing experience claiming micro-stamping would cost only 50¢?


Myth: The numbers will let police find the gun’s owner

Fact: Most crime guns are stolen property, 5 which makes finding the original owner worthless.


1 “NanoTagTM Markings From Another Perspective”, George G. Krivosta, Suffolk County Crime Laboratory,
Hauppauge, New York, Winter 2006 edition of the AFTE Journal
2 Ibid
3 Ibid
4 “Etched bullets interest law enforcement”, The Record, September 25, 2006
5 “Armed and Considered Dangerous”, U.S. Department of Justice, 1986

[tommy610]

Revolver.

10char

[Devrbd]

This legislation is also buried in committee here in PA. Lets hope it stays there.

[Wiley-X]

I wonder how long the engraving on the firing pin will remain usable. 100 rounds, 500 rounds, 1,000 rounds? I can see some serious shooters getting into trouble because they've shot so much that the pin won't stamp anymore.

Will the law require that replacement firing pins be able to stamp.

[Metz]

They are nucking futs!

[Devrbd]

I wonder how long the engraving on the firing pin will remain usable. 100 rounds, 500 rounds, 1,000 rounds? I can see some serious shooters getting into trouble because they've shot so much that the pin won't stamp anymore.

Will the law require that replacement firing pins be able to stamp.

Here's a link to the text of the bill. It's a pretty quick read.

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?def...mmary=Y&Text=Y

Any person who wilfully defaces any machine-gun, large capacity ammunition feeding device or firearm, INCLUDING DEFACING A MICROSTAMPING COMPONENT OR MECHANISM OF A SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL AS DESCRIBED IN SUBDI-VISION TWENTY-FIVE OF SECTION 265.00 OF THIS ARTICLE, is guilty of a class D felony.

[thefirstndsecond]

This is simply ignorant legislators looking for a quick false fix to something that takes time and education.


I just wonder how this thought process came about?

[jcabin]

Come on guys. California had it right. They're only looking out for our safety. Now the police will really have a chance at catching the gun nuts and rednecks.