CC in PA casinos

**ungawa** · December 27th, 2014, 03:23 PM

I jump on the mattress, too.

**ryan2858** · December 27th, 2014, 09:34 PM

I'd trust a excerpt from a lawyers website before I would some Tom dick or Harry online that has 0 experience in law. Just saying

**gold eagle** · December 27th, 2014, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by SteelCityK9Cop

Signs do have legal authority... and there is no requirement that anyone asks you to leave first... that is a different sub-section of the same offence.

§ 3503. Criminal trespass.
(b) Defiant trespasser.--
(1) A person commits an offense if, knowing that he is not licensed or privileged to do so, he enters or remains in any place as to which notice against trespass is given by:
(ii) posting in a manner prescribed by law or reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders;

How well does ( I didn't see the sign ) work?

I would leave or secure my weapon if asked tho'

**tl_3237** · December 28th, 2014, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by gold eagle

How well does ( I didn't see the sign ) work?

I would leave or secure my weapon if asked tho'

That is up to the trier-of-fact (jury or judge in bench trial). Remember that the statute reads:

(ii) posting in a manner prescribed by law or reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders

The prosecution will probably introduce pictures of how the conditions of entry were posted and the trier-of-fact will decide whether they meet the 'likeliness' of providing 'notice' to you. Likewise the trier-of-fact can impute your knowledge of the restriction based on the same information. Certainly you can raise "I didn't know" as a defense - whether it will prevail is an unknown.

**Im not Batman** · December 30th, 2014, 05:48 AM

Originally Posted by Metz

Well, this was just one casino and the "gun" line was among other zillion lines on that sign behing the cashier. I did not notice it in other casinos that I go to. Maybe I did not look close enough. Should I keep browsing for the sign, or consider that "it's ok until otherwise instructed"?

Anyway, thanks to both of you.

Parx...it at every door.

Sands...too.

Mohegan Sun...I haven't been to in Pocono yet ..only Conn.

**vladtepes** · July 17th, 2015, 09:18 AM

7/15/15

Sands
Bethleham PA

went to the event center for a concert, and my experience was as follows...

* noticed no signs at the casino, attached shopping area, or actual event center
* passed through security check points any time entering the casino (I was just passing through to use rest room)
* staff was friendly and courteous

maybe there are signs somewhere.. but I was actually looking for them and didn't see them..
* no metal detectors anywhere

**ryan2858** · July 17th, 2015, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by vladtepes

7/15/15

Sands
Bethleham PA

went to the event center for a concert, and my experience was as follows...

* noticed no signs at the casino, attached shopping area, or actual event center
* passed through security check points any time entering the casino (I was just passing through to use rest room)
* staff was friendly and courteous

maybe there are signs somewhere.. but I was actually looking for them and didn't see them..
* no metal detectors anywhere

I live not far from Sands and was just there recently and I asked a manager. As of recent the law banning firearms has been removed from the law books and is now legal. It's being left up to the casino now whether they allow guns or not. I asked one of the guards last time I was there since the new law provisions and she stated that if it's concealed and no one sees it it's no problem. If someone saw it and complained they'd likely ask you to leave it in the car. She also said it's unlikely they'll change the signs in on the grounds but won't hassle anyone concealing their firearms. Check out the pa attorney generals website for the new law about casino carry and obviously do you own research before carrying. The event center does not have a no gun sign but the gaming floor has them all over as does the hotel last time I was there. Apparently they had a kid pull a gun on someone at the hotel.

**ryan2858** · July 17th, 2015, 11:23 PM

It's also possible they removed the signs after the law was changed. If you didn't see it on the gaming floor where they card everyone they probably removed them. There's no way anyone would miss it walking in. It's a huge sign on a pole where the ropes are. I'd highly question someone's situational awareness if they missed the sign if it's still there. I was there days after the law changed.