CC in PA casinos

[tl_3237]

Every Pa casino I've been to has posted in the vestibules a sign about 24x30 on the side wall that gives "NOTICE" with a litany of fine print paragraphs. In there you will find the mandatory notice pursuant to 058 Pa Code 465a.13(d):

(d) A slot machine licensee shall post in a conspicuous location at each entrance to the licensed facility signs that may be easily read stating the following:

The possession of a deadly weapon, stun gun or other device designed to injure or incapacitate a person by any person within this licensed facility without the express written permission of the Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board is prohibited.

I've seen these signs and the admonition at Parx, Chester, Hollywood.

Don't look for a big 'NO GUNS' icon signage on the doors - its not there.

[zackattack784]

Every Pa casino I've been to has posted in the vestibules a sign about 24x30 on the side wall that gives "NOTICE" with a litany of fine print paragraphs. In there you will find the mandatory notice pursuant to 058 Pa Code 465a.13(d):




I've seen these signs and the admonition at Parx, Chester, Hollywood.

Don't look for a big 'NO GUNS' icon signage on the doors - its not there.

(b) Defiant trespasser.--
(1) A person commits an offense if, knowing that he is
not licensed or privileged to do so, he enters or remains in
any place as to which notice against trespass is given by:
(i) actual communication to the actor;
(ii) posting in a manner prescribed by law or
reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders;
(iii) fencing or other enclosure manifestly designed
to exclude intruders;
(iv) notices posted in a manner prescribed by law or
reasonably likely to come to the person's attention at
each entrance of school grounds that visitors are
prohibited without authorization from a designated
school, center or program official; or
(v) an actual communication to the actor to leave
school grounds as communicated by a school, center or
program official, employee or agent or a law enforcement
officer.

Fine print is not reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders. I don't go looking for signs but if I see them I abide by them.

[ByblosHex]

With the enactment of Act 10 (HB40), I believe the PA gaming control board can no longer require casinos to post no firearms signs. In other words, there is no law prohibiting casino carry. With that being said, they are still private property and the casino owners can set whatever rules they want against carry.

You may be correct. As of the passing of HB the PA Gaming Control Board no longer has any authority to prohibit the possession or ownership of firearms in any manner.

[knight0334]

You may be correct. As of the passing of HB the PA Gaming Control Board no longer has any authority to prohibit the possession or ownership of firearms in any manner.

True, but if the signs are left in place by the casino 3503 still applies.

[jerryg]

I guess it is the Honor System with regards to weapons in the casino. I don't go to the casino to gamble, but I have been told that they don't wand anybody for weapons so again, bad guys don't follow the rules.

When I do go it is to bring what used to be your money to the bank.

[tl_3237]

Fine print is not reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders. I don't go looking for signs but if I see them I abide by them.

The 'fine print' is the individual wording of the conduct and prohibitions for patrons. The "NOTICE" heading of the sign is of sufficient font and size to be argued sufficient to draw the intention of intruders that a notification is included therein. If they choose not to draw nigh and read that fine print, they are nonetheless bound by the conditions IMO.

Will a trier-of-fact adjudge the signs sufficient to prove an element of a trespass offense? We'll never know until a victim/volunteer/dare-devil is charged and tried.

For me, I'll pass on the opportunity of finding it out first hand.

[tl_3237]

True, but if the signs are left in place by the casino 3503 still applies.

Yep and, IMO, its incredulous to believe that the casinos would remove the restriction of their own volition -- even if they had the ability.

[zackattack784]

The 'fine print' is the individual wording of the conduct and prohibitions for patrons. The "NOTICE" heading of the sign is of sufficient font and size to be argued sufficient to draw the intention of intruders that a notification is included therein. If they choose not to draw nigh and read that fine print, they are nonetheless bound by the conditions IMO.

Will a trier-of-fact adjudge the signs sufficient to prove an element of a trespass offense? We'll never know until a victim/volunteer/dare-devil is charged and tried.

For me, I'll pass on the opportunity of finding it out first hand.

I disagree, but I'm not willing to be a test case so I guess we'll never know now will we? .

[tl_3237]

I disagree, but I'm not willing to be a test case so I guess we'll never know now will we? .

We'll just have to wait for someone else to get 'jammed up' .

One thing to consider is that, since the signage is mandatory on the casino operator, it would definitely be on the checklist by the site inspector from the Pa Gaming Board. Since they would tacitly have to determine the sign sufficient to effect the desired proscription requirement, I presume somewhere along the way the sign's specifications and attributes was reviewed by an attorney for the board as well as an attorney of the licensee.

The signs were not created in a vacuum, reprinted from the internet, or implemented by a 'mom & pop' organization but instead generated by/for multi-million/billion dollar corporations and inspected by a significantly staffed Commonwealth agency - both with a legal staff.

[nlcrsn]

There seems to be an awful lot of "Government" input into Casinos. It seems it could be possible to push this into preemption.