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    Unhappy My experiance in Harrisburg last week @ the Capitol

    My schedule has been all screwed up, and will not be able to go to the rally this week, so I went up to voice my concerns and talk with my representative, as well as speak with some other legislators and their staff.

    First stop was the East Entry, to check my sidearm. I politely told the police officer there that I would like to check a firearm, and asked how to proceed as I had not done that before. His reaction "Why would you want to do that?". I told him that I couldn't take it inside, and on a motorcycle, it is a bit hard to secure (yep, 460 miles of ride for all of this). Not a great attitude to meet so early in the day. (This was reported to the police department office in the building) The other officer, older gentleman, was good natured and ready to help. Although it did take about 20 minutes for the whole form fill out.

    So after that, I work my way over to the office building to see if Rep Levdansky is in before session starts. I found out that he was photo opping with the children's group touring the capitol (and whom most seemed to be wearing some sort of campaign t-shirts, but I digress) and would be going straight to session, but his staff, consisting of his assistant and a researcher, would be happy to hear my concerns and help out where they could, as they have worked with the representative on many issues. My first issue was one that was found doing some research on Levdansky here on PAFOA , with his comments on our right to keep and bear arms. I wanted to know if he still felt that way, and if not, what changed in his life to make a change in his way of thinking. I mentioned that the PA constitution included the words, "shall not be questioned" and was hit back with the line "... well, the constitution is a living document". More conversation commenced, with myself learning about the massive insistency of the staff, who is advising on these matters, and the actuality of the law. They supported municipalities putting in "lost and stolen" and they said it was not illegal until a judge said so. I was also told many times, "the representative has hunted since he was 12 and owned guns since he was young".

    Was also told by the staff that my list of points and questions looked similar to those things that Kim Stolfer (mentioned by name) had brought up, and that the only reason he and the NRA is saying anything because the NRA has a $50,000 price on his head for anyone that will run against because of lost and stolen.

    I was also at one point told that they support a ban on full auto guns, "since the ban expired and it was now legal to own again", in reference to the 92 AWB, to which I tried to inform them it was not about the workings of the firearms, but cosmetic aspects, and that the NFA and GCA of 86 had limited FA items and did not sunset.

    Cannot say I am comfortable with those who say they represent me, when their advisors cannot understand the law as it is written.

    After all of this, I headed down to see if Sam Roher was in, and if I could get information about the gentleman from his staff. they gave me a list of sites to look up, and some contact information for his campaign 9but that was all they were allowed to give).

    While leaving, I picked up my sidearm, and the younger officer was not sure what to do, but the other officer took it was a moment to teach her how to fill out and the procedure for checking and returning firearms, which I had no problem being involved with.

    I learned a bit, and got a nice ride up Route 30. Although I have to say, I am not confident enough going into my reps office, as I cant pull figures and dates from my head so easily, especially when i am trying to converse with two people who give off an air of ..we know better than you. Next year I'll get there with more people from my area, and I will make sure to let my neighbors know what he thinks of their rights.

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    Default Re: My experiance in Harrisburg last week @ the Capitol

    I always knew lots of staffers and even reps were flatout bonehead stupid , but it is alarming nonetheless that his " researcher" and aide apparently need to do one helluva lot more research if they actually believe the sunsetted AWB had ANYTHING to do with actual automatic weapons. Sheeeeesh I've played the politics game long enough that I understand the need, even when clearly uunwarranted , to show a little decorum and class when speaking to people like this , but I swear some of the idiotic things I've heard said by elected officials and their staff makes it an awsome struggle to maintain my composure and not either bust out laughing at the absurdity of what comes out of their mouths or flat out bluntly ask them how they survived this long and got this far , while being so incredibly ignorant.
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    Default Re: My experiance in Harrisburg last week @ the Capitol

    I hear you. Some of it tested my ability to maintain a positive attitude and respectful manner.

    I will say that we did agree on some road issues in Washington county, and some tax issues that are being brought up.

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    Default Re: My experiance in Harrisburg last week @ the Capitol

    That bullshit makes my head hurt. Maybe people should keep their uneducated opinions to their naive self.

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    Default Re: My experiance in Harrisburg last week @ the Capitol

    Interesting read. Thanks.


    With regards to checking your firearm at the Capitol, what was the procedure like? Is this available somewhere?
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    Default Re: My experiance in Harrisburg last week @ the Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by ScaredOnce View Post
    Interesting read. Thanks.


    With regards to checking your firearm at the Capitol, what was the procedure like? Is this available somewhere?
    Go to the East Entrance, near the fountain, and go through the normal visitor entrance. Let the guard know you want to secure your firearm. they ask for a drivers license, and write down all the info about your firearm and you, then secure in a locker box (which is silly, because they leave the key in the box and tell you that you cannot keep it). You get a copy of the receipt, and they ask you to sign their copy when you come pick it up to say that you did.

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    Talking Re: My experiance in Harrisburg last week @ the Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Azzy View Post
    Go to the East Entrance, near the fountain, and go through the normal visitor entrance. Let the guard know you want to secure your firearm. they ask for a drivers license, and write down all the info about your firearm and you, then secure in a locker box (which is silly, because they leave the key in the box and tell you that you cannot keep it). You get a copy of the receipt, and they ask you to sign their copy when you come pick it up to say that you did.

    Thanks man, don't mean to hijack the thread... But, appreciate the insight.

    My plan was to be out here much much earlier yesterday, but alas... Work.

    But, I made it. I'll report in the Laurel Highlands' thread, but it's been good so far. I OCed in a bar, walked around the city and had a good time. No issues...

    Can't wait for the morning.
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    Default Re: My experiance in Harrisburg last week @ the Capitol

    I am not confident enough going into my reps office, as I cant pull figures and dates from my head so easily, especially when i am trying to converse with two people who give off an air of ..we know better than you. Next year I'll get there with more people from my area, and I will make sure to let my neighbors know what he thinks of their rights.

    I think many feel the same way.

    They (Reps) really do not care.

    Hence todays rally and the reason I write to them constantly.

    I hope Sabatina does better.

    The only person I have a complete loss of faith with is Alison Swartz

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    Default Re: My experiance in Harrisburg last week @ the Capitol

    I personally take issue with being asked to provide DL number, LTCF number and SN of my firearm in order to use the mandated storage facilities at the Capitol. I don't carry my DL or LTCF when I OC, and my SN is not visible, and I don't have it memorized. Further, 913 says nothing about a requirement to provide this information to those securing my firearm.

    Unfortunately, I was unable to attend the rally today, or we would have been able to see what happens if this information is not provided.
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    Default Re: My experiance in Harrisburg last week @ the Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by gnbrotz View Post
    I personally take issue with being asked to provide DL number, LTCF number and SN of my firearm in order to use the mandated storage facilities at the Capitol. I don't carry my DL or LTCF when I OC, and my SN is not visible, and I don't have it memorized. Further, 913 says nothing about a requirement to provide this information to those securing my firearm.

    Unfortunately, I was unable to attend the rally today, or we would have been able to see what happens if this information is not provided.
    I can see it for one reason only... it is a positive identification of yourself, and your property, so only you can claim in the end.

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