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    Default When Brazil tried to ban all guns and ammunition

    I was reading around on the Internet this morning and found this on Wikipedia. I bolded the parts that I thought were interesting and added a comment here and there in red ink.

    In 2005, a referendum was held in Brazil in an attempt to forbid the sale of firearms and ammunition nationwide. According to the Brazilian constitution, every citizen has the right to self-defense and the pro-gun campaigners focused their arguments around this constitutional right, as well as making economic arguments.[citation needed]

    A decisive argument made by the pro-gun campaigners was to question the morality of the government removing a right from its citizens, resulting in a strong feeling among voters that no rights should ever be allowed to be taken away by the government.[8] Also, there were debates about the significant cultural status of gun ownership in the southern states of the country. I wish Americans had the same passion about their rights.

    Another major argument used by the pro-gun ownership campaigners was the fact that the absolute majority of the gun crimes in Brazil were committed with unregistered and illegal guns (you don't say!), specially high caliber guns, that were already forbidden in Brazil and due to that, it would be of no use to forbid law-abiding citizens to own legal registered guns in accordance to the law. This argument was strongly reinforced by the fact that the regions where gun ownership is widespread were the ones with the smallest number of gun-related deaths. In the South region where there is the highest number of legal guns per citizen only 59% of all murders were caused by firearms in contrast to 70% in the Northeast were there is the lowest number of legal firearms per citizen.[9]

    The anti-gun proponents argued that guns are dangerous for society and that their only reason to exist is to harm others. (The usual, baseless, unsupported, fact-free argument from the leftists)

    The anti-gun campaign received widespread support from several famous actors, musicians and other Brazilian celebrities and a noticeable support from the nation's main TV station, TV Globo.

    The result of the referendum ended with a landslide victory of those against the gun-ban, with over 63% of the voters opposed.[10] Although the Brazilian Government, the Catholic Church, and the United Nations, argued in favor of a gun ban, it was argued successfully that guns are needed for personal security.[1]
    Good for them.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Brazil

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    Default Re: When Brazil tried to ban all guns and ammunition

    It sounds like Brazil tried to ban guns immediately whereas some of the cities and states in the US try to take gun owners' rights little by little until they have nothing left (See Chicago). If this were to be proposed in the US it would be shot down immediately.

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    Default Re: When Brazil tried to ban all guns and ammunition

    and that is why you will never see a public vote on any gun control measure, the antis know it will fail. They will get there ban by hook or by crook in the middle of the night, closed back door political deal.
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    Default Re: When Brazil tried to ban all guns and ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by NY Refugee View Post
    and that is why you will never see a public vote on any gun control measure, the antis know it will fail. They will get there ban by hook or by crook in the middle of the night, closed back door political deal.
    Unfortunately, you're right. But it doesn't have to be that way.

    Imagine if we did try disarming US citizens. They'd have to bring a militarized force to every door to collect the very tools that make us at level with them. It could get ugly. Perhaps that's why they know they have to chip away at our freedom bit by bit. What they don't see, though, is that they're not helping anyone, and stripping law abiding citizens of their right to defend themselves from the kinds of people that will always have guns, no matter what the law says.
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    Default Re: When Brazil tried to ban all guns and ammunition

    ^ I can guarantee you that those people really intent on disarming the public have absolutely zero concern for the well being of anyone but themselves.
    "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws--that's insane!" -- Penn Jillette

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    Default Re: When Brazil tried to ban all guns and ammunition

    I wish Americans had the same passion about their rights.
    Americans are passionate enough about their gun rights, that we've never let it get so close to a total national ban as they have in Brazil. There really is no other developed country in the world where the right to bear arms is respected more than here.
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    Default Re: When Brazil tried to ban all guns and ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by eXceLon View Post
    Americans are passionate enough about their gun rights, that we've never let it get so close to a total national ban as they have in Brazil. There really is no other developed country in the world where the right to bear arms is respected more than here.
    Couldn't agree more to you on that, but the problem that the Government is concerned about is the use of this right for their own needs. This is just because of a small group of people that we have to go through such a ban. I think that educating about the proper use of the guns and the rights to use it would provide a very good change in the outlook of Government about the ban.

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