Tom Corbett reserves disarming Pennsylvanians as an option

[wcpastures]

Ok here is the new combined video of both candidates answering the question on whether they would consider disarming gunowners:



This video speaks for itself:


Tom Corbett, would you disarm Pennsylvanians? Tom cannot seem to answer this most basic question. Please send this to all the gun owners you know. This man wants us to believe he is pro-gun!?
Sorry Tom, Sam Rohrer believes in the second amendment and is sponsor of the Castle Doctrine, here is his response to a similar question:

[GunLawyer001]

Welcome to the forum. Who are you? Looks like you joined today, and both of your posts so far have been anti-Corbett attacks.

The link you provide is to Corbett answering a question about "doomsday", with armed rebellion in the streets, and he says that he'd have to wait and see to determine his response.

Is this really the single-issue that you expect sensible PA gun owners to turn on? Not his views on "shall issue" or "castle doctrine" or "semi-auto assault weapons", but his strategy on civil war?

Seems weak to me. What else you got? Anything involving Zombies, space invasion by BEM's, or inter-dimensional war?

[wcpastures]

Yes I am a new member. Is it ok for new members to submit posts? Do you normally welcome new members this way before researching the issues? I filmed this video myself at a gun owners meeting last week. I believe this is a relevant post.

I think the man at this meeting had a good question, and one that a man running for Governor should be able to handle. Instead he belittled him as if because he was not in the Guard himself he somehow did not have the right to ask the question: would you disarm or allow Obama to disarm? Again very simple question, why did he avoid it?

Why should he have to "wait to see to determine his response." If he has to wait and see then is he not saying that yes he would under the right conditions?

You bring up the "Castle Doctrine." Sam Rohrer is a sponsor of this. Sam has also led opposition to a statewide gun registry, the list goes on and on.

Tom on the other hand seems to think that guns are the problem and he can solve it by taking them off the street:

http://www.paindependent.com/todays_...gun-task-force

Where Sam's answer is to take the CRIMINALS off the streets:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxYFJlXAQqs

Any more problems understanding this I can help you with?

Oh and I'm sorry I don't have any information on "Zombies, space invasion by BEM's, or inter-dimensional war" I'm sure there are other forums where you can discuss your interest in these topics.

[GunLawyer001]

Yes I am a new member. Is it ok for new members to submit posts? Do you normally attack new members this way before researching the issues? I filmed this video myself at the FOAC meeting last week. I believe this is a relevant post.

I think the man at this meeting had a good question, and one that a man running for Governor should be able to handle. Instead he belittled him as if because he was not in the Guard himself he somehow did not have the right to ask the question: would you disarm or allow Obama to disarm? Again very simple question, why did he avoid it?

Why should he have to "wait to see to determine his response." If he has to wait and see then is he not saying that yes he would under the right conditions?

You bring up the "Castle Doctrine." Sam Rohrer is a sponsor of this. Sam has also led opposition to a statewide gun registry, the list goes on and on.

Tom on the other hand seems to think that guns are the problem and he can solve it by taking them off the street:

http://www.paindependent.com/todays_...gun-task-force

Where Sam's answer is to take the CRIMINALS off the streets:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxYFJlXAQqs

any more problems understanding this I can help you with?

If you think that was an attack, then you're in for a rough ride here. Not all questions are attacks, unless you have something to hide.

You joined up specifically to post, in 2 places, the same link to an innocuous video, that you claimed shows Corbett is weak on gun rights. I watched the video, it doesn't show that at all.

I also didn't see Corbett's assertion of his bona fides as a belittling of the questioner; he looked to me like he was showing that he knows what he's talking about when it comes to the NG.

Next, after getting very defensive, you post a link to an article which also doesn't say what you said about it, that "Tom. . . seems to think that guns are the problem and he can solve it by taking them off the street".

Are guns "a" problem? Sure they are, in the wrong hands. Not "the" problem, but one of the problems, to be sure. According to your link:
"In a press release dated July 6, 2006 and authored by Mr. Corbett’s press secretary, Kevin Harley and Mr. Fumo’s then-spokesman, Gary Tuma, the task force was aimed at focusing “…exclusively on illegal gun possession, sales and trafficking in an effort to prevent firearms from reaching criminal circles.”? (Blue emphasis added by me.)

Is this instead of prosecuting muggers and rapists? Nope. It's not "the" solution to crime, but it's an essential part of fighting crime. Target the felons in possession , straw sales, and transfers among criminals. Which part of that do you dislike?

Does this sound like the usual attempt to ban entire classes of guns, add pointless waiting periods, or otherwise impede law-abiding gun owners? Not to me, my friend. It looks like cops enforcing the laws we have. What does it look like to you?

A suspicious person would think that you joined PAFOA as a political operative. Me, I've posted thousands of times, I've taught classes on firearms law, people know me. I've never met Corbett, never corresponded or spoke with him or his people, although he may have been on the Board of Pardons when I appeared there with clients to get their gun rights restored; I honestly don't recall, there are 5 members.

So, who are you, and are you affiliated with any political campaign?

[pirateron]

Attack?
If your idea of an "attack" is asking for clarification on a stance, or post, well you need to read around here for a little while. Then you will see some attacks.

If you have a beef with Corbett - then post FACTS regarding what you feel is important, not snippets of information. That falls in the catagory of misleading by misrepresentation, a tactic the "antis" use often. Present facts on the candidates and people will discuss their feelings with you, whether they agree or not.

If you want to see an "attack" post a pro-Obama message.

[whoshisface]

Can you show ma a canadate that is more pro-gun than TC? Can you show me a canadate that has given us more rights to carry in other states? Let's see TC who's been fighting forgun owners for years or well anyone else in the running that falls short or wants an all out ban! hum. Let me know who you think is a better canadate please, since you don't like TC.

[wcpastures]

If you think that was an attack, then you're in for a rough ride here. Not all questions are attacks, unless you have something to hide.

You joined up specifically to post, in 2 places, the same link to an innocuous video, that you claimed shows Corbett is weak on gun rights. I watched the video, it doesn't show that at all.

I also didn't see Corbett's assertion of his bona fides as a belittling of the questioner; he looked to me like he was showing that he knows what he's talking about when it comes to the NG.

Next, after getting very defensive, you post a link to an article which also doesn't say what you said about it, that "Tom. . . seems to think that guns are the problem and he can solve it by taking them off the street".

Are guns "a" problem? Sure they are, in the wrong hands. Not "the" problem, but one of the problems, to be sure. According to your link:
"In a press release dated July 6, 2006 and authored by Mr. Corbett’s press secretary, Kevin Harley and Mr. Fumo’s then-spokesman, Gary Tuma, the task force was aimed at focusing “…exclusively on illegal gun possession, sales and trafficking in an effort to prevent firearms from reaching criminal circles.”? (Blue emphasis added by me.)

Is this instead of prosecuting muggers and rapists? Nope. It's not "the" solution to crime, but it's an essential part of fighting crime. Target the felons in possession , straw sales, and transfers among criminals. Which part of that do you dislike?

Does this sound like the usual attempt to ban entire classes of guns, add pointless waiting periods, or otherwise impede law-abiding gun owners? Not to me, my friend. It looks like cops enforcing the laws we have. What does it look like to you?

A suspicious person would think that you joined PAFOA as a political operative. Me, I've posted thousands of times, I've taught classes on firearms law, people know me. I've never met Corbett, never corresponded or spoke with him or his people, although he may have been on the Board of Pardons when I appeared there with clients to get their gun rights restored; I honestly don't recall, there are 5 members.

So, who are you, and are you affiliated with any political campaign?

I agree with you that convicted muggers, rapists, and felons should not have guns. However should a law abiding gun owner be subject to a Police search without a warrant? If you think that it would never happen, here's a link:

http://cbs3.com/local/Philadelphia.T...ectflash=false

The part of the article I am referring to is the third paragraph:
“Police also plan to ask home owners at times for consent to search their homes without a probable-cause warrant” If consent is not given that may be cause enough to get a warrant if you know how these people work.

I will be posting another video of Tom taking credit for starting the Philly Gun Task Force.
pirateron--I don't know how I can be any more factual than video footage straight from the horse's mouth.

Yes I do support Sam Rohrer, and make no apologies for it. Sam led opposition to a statewide gun registry and is a sponsor of the “Castle Doctrine” I am concerned about where our country is headed. I am by no means a paid operative. Thank you for your lively response, without people like you these forums would be boring.

[whoshisface]

if that's how you feel I'm sure you're fighting to amend th second! justlike so many are fighting to amend the first to ban child porn and dog fighting videos. :rollingmyeyesbackintomyhead: we have enough arm chair warriors it would e nice if people actually fought for what they believe in.

I agree with you that convicted muggers, rapists, and felons should not have guns. However should a law abiding gun owner be subject to a Police search without a warrant? If you think that it would never happen, here's a link:

http://cbs3.com/local/Philadelphia.T...ectflash=false

The part of the article I am referring to is the third paragraph:
“Police also plan to ask home owners at times for consent to search their homes without a probable-cause warrant” If consent is not given that may be cause enough to get a warrant if you know how these people work.

I will be posting another video of Tom taking credit for starting the Philly Gun Task Force.
pirateron--I don't know how I can be any more factual than video footage straight from the horse's mouth.

Yes I do support Sam Rohrer, and make no apologies for it. Sam led opposition to a statewide gun registry and is a sponsor of the “Castle Doctrine” I am concerned about where our country is headed. I am by no means a paid operative. Thank you for your lively response, without people like you these forums would be boring.

[edstephan]

Yes I am a new member. Is it ok for new members to submit posts? Do you normally attack new members this way before researching the issues? I filmed this video myself at the FOAC meeting last week. I believe this is a relevant post.
I think the man at this meeting had a good question, and one that a man running for Governor should be able to handle. Instead he belittled him as if because he was not in the Guard himself he somehow did not have the right to ask the question: would you disarm or allow Obama to disarm? Again very simple question, why did he avoid it?
Why should he have to "wait to see to determine his response." If he has to wait and see then is he not saying that yes he would under the right conditions?
You bring up the "Castle Doctrine." Sam Rohrer is a sponsor of this. Sam has also led opposition to a statewide gun registry, the list goes on and on.
Tom on the other hand seems to think that guns are the problem and he can solve it by taking them off the street:
http://www.paindependent.com/todays_...gun-task-force
Where Sam's answer is to take the CRIMINALS off the streets:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxYFJlXAQqs
any more problems understanding this I can help you with?

Wcpastures, I guess you think anyone that disagrees with you is making an attack?
This is not the Huffington Post forum, this is not the RonPaul Forums, this is not Campaign for Liberty forum, this is PAFOA’s forum and you had better grow a thicker skin than you have to survive here, or start reading the posts and learning very quickly.
If you think that was an attack you ain’t seen nothing. Consider yourself lucky.

I don't like Corbett either but your grasping at straws with this argument. Try looking at Corbett’s record on prosecuting preemption violations. Oh, wait, it isn’t there. How bout the prosecution of Gleason and the Republican committee for their Pay Go scheme. Not there either. Yep, he has gone after some democrats.

Try this: Tom Corbett had the chance to hold the PSP feet to the fire when they were trying to push illegal regulations to the firearm dealers, forcing them to put AR15’s and AK’s on the PS-113 and entering them into the PSP’s database. and he stood on the sidelines and wrote some letters. No filing suit in Commonwealth Court as he should have been.
You can also use the argument Corbett has been using our own money to violate the law when he created the firearm taskforce in Philly to do the firearm buy backs.

A bit more research on your part will go along way on this forum. Most of us here rely on facts and are smarter than your average liberal.
GunLawyer001, He is working with Sam’s campaign and a bit over zealous

An OC Activist and 1 of the 3%
Ed Stephan

[t1m0thy]

Wcpastures, I guess you think anyone that disagrees with you is making an attack?
This is not the Huffington Post forum, this is not the RonPaul Forums, this is not Campaign for Liberty forum, this is PAFOA’s forum and you had better grow a thicker skin than you have to survive here, or start reading the posts and learning very quickly.
If you think that was an attack you ain’t seen nothing. Consider yourself lucky.

I don't like Corbett either but your grasping at straws with this argument. Try looking at Corbett’s record on prosecuting preemption violations. Oh, wait, it isn’t there. How bout the prosecution of Gleason and the Republican committee for their Pay Go scheme. Not there either. Yep, he has gone after some democrats.

Try this: Tom Corbett had the chance to hold the PSP feet to the fire when they were trying to push illegal regulations to the firearm dealers, forcing them to put AR15’s and AK’s on the PS-113 and entering them into the PSP’s database. and he stood on the sidelines and wrote some letters. No filing suit in Commonwealth Court as he should have been.
You can also use the argument Corbett has been using our own money to violate the law when he created the firearm taskforce in Philly to do the firearm buy backs.

A bit more research on your part will go along way on this forum. Most of us here rely on facts and are smarter than your average liberal.
GunLawyer001, He is working with Sam’s campaign and a bit over zealous

An OC Activist and 1 of the 3%
Ed Stephan

I still hold to my argument that this issue should be a disqualifier for anyone that support gun right rights. The time when your second amendment rights mean the most and one of the primary reasons it exists is in a time of emergency. For someone who claims to support gun rights and has a record doing so to flirt with such a thing as disarming the public in a civil emergency flies in the face of the very basis of our rights. I don't care what else he has done...this issue is THAT important.