Help Make OC in vehicles legal PLEASE!

[gumbys1up]

I think that's its bullshit that you cannot OC when you get into a Vehicle(s). I mean really think about this for two seconds and then tell me it makes ANY SENSE AT ALL. If you can own a handgun in PA you can OC it !!ON FOOT!! yet Although you ARE SANE enough to own the gun and the goverment trust you enough with owning it and shooting it, that surely you would think they would let you carry it regardless. Well my question is What do all the poor people do who cannot attain their LTCF?? Go without being able to protect themselves?? I am saying this because I am in this position and I believe that it is a only logical sense that if you are allowed to own the darn thing.. they would trust you enough to carry it. Why not everyone on here bring this to the attention of our law makers and make it a little easier for people like Myself to be able to provide protection (if needed) to myself and others. but not only at home. Because knowing that is the law seems like a pretty big F-up by our law makers. I think they forgot to mention anything about OCing when the laws were made for LTCF because how can you legally OC carry a Firearm in PA if you don't have a LTCF? isn't a LTCF just that.. LICENSE TO CARRY A FIREARM. technically wouldn't that Show that OC isn't legal just on that fact alone?!! am only asking I am not saying I do or am intending to do anything unlawful. And when the law clearly states that YOU MUST BE LICENSED well that's clear enough to me that without a LTCF you CANNOT CARRY AT ALL. But yet because there isn't a law stating that OC IS unlawful... it technically isn't??? I am so confused by all of this. Aren't you? Wasn't the 2nd Ammendment designed to make sure we can defend our lives? Regardless of where or how we go about living them? So Why then Even get a LTCF? Wat so you can carry it in a car then?? Well that's basically all its good for..(And State of Emergency I know..) LETS CHANGE THIS GOOFY LAW TO HELP OUT LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. I feel that It should be completely legal to OC or Carry HOWEVER YOU FEEL If you can own the gun you can carry it? That's like saying well... You can have all the guns you want to protect yourself..But ammo is something else. That's a child's game and I don't take my Safety lightly nor do I like the fact that the goverment does either. So HELP ME CHANGE THE LAWS AROUND PEOPLE. THINK FOR TWO SECONDS AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT i AM SAYING. I am legally allowed to own a gun. Priod end. now if I have 21 guns hanging on meriding down the street on a snowtube. !!THIS SHOULDNT MATTER!! if 6 of them are concealed.. an 4 are OC..and 10 openly concealed. it's all more bullshit I think to disarm us as AMERICANS So PAFOA Help me change these laws around and make us LAW ABIDING CITIZENS allowed what our 2nd right INTENDED to be for.

[General Geoff]

I mean really think about this for two seconds and then tell me it makes ANY SENSE AT ALL.

This statement could be applied to any gun control law in history.


The gears of society and law turn slowly; if we persevere, we'll eventually get the law changed (just look at Arizona and their recently passed VT/AK-style concealed carry law).

[S&WM&P40]

I offer my assistants how can I help you today?

[G23neverjams]

I'm comletely in agreement. I'm completely agreed. It's bullshit that we can't carry over our own arms rights that are granted to us by the state by our own government. Why should we stand by and agree t0 the terms of our agreement that we hadve been wrangled into?

It is our 2nd AR to carry our firearms openly and it should not matter whether or not we are in a vehicle.

Think about it, a cop is only going to deal with problems from a criminal. I don't think that the law abiding citizens of today, this generation or the most recent generation, it is all the same theory, and that is making sure that you aknowedge that you are an important part of the U.S.A. and that you represent PAFOA when you menton this forum.... IMHO

[IronSight]

Paragraphs please, for God's sake use paragraphs.

What do all the poor people do who cannot attain their LTCF?? Go without being able to protect themselves??

If they can't afford an LTCF how are they going to afford the gun and ammo?

[HiredGoon]

I don't even try to read a very long post like that when there are no paragraphs.

Sorry

[rovert97]

I sense fail in the form of the return key.

[IronSight]

I am saying this because I am in this position and I believe that it is a only logical sense that if you are allowed to own the darn thing.. they would trust you enough to carry it. Why not everyone on here bring this to the attention of our law makers and make it a little easier for people like Myself to be able to provide protection (if needed) to myself and others. but not only at home.

I just noticed you're in Lehigh county. That sucks, so am I.

As far as your point about contacting lawmakers, some of us are, in fact, doing that.

See here for what I'm doing at the moment: http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-ope...-time-act.html

[son of the revolution]

It's bullshit that we can't carry over our own arms rights that are granted to us by the state by our own government

Your homework assignment for this weekend is to write 500 times


" My rights are NOT granted by the Govt , they are mine as a natural human right,simply by virtue of being born, including the right to keep and bear arms "


Then after completing this assignment, go back to your High School and smack your History or Civics teacher upside the head with your old text book for failing you so miserably in educating you about your rights and where they come from.

[jcabin]

AFAIK some states allow people to transport their gun in the vehicle without a license, so they can continue to OC when they arrive at their destination and exit the vehicle.

IMO I don't think we have much of a chance of getting laws built AROUND open carry. We have much more of a chance of creating laws that increase the freedom law abiding citizens have with guns, such as the ability to transport a loaded firearm inside their vehicle, without a LTCF, so long as it is in the center console, glove box, front seat, something similar to what other states have. That, IMO, would then allow one to transport their firearm in their vehicle, for the sole purpose of being able to OC it once they arrive at their destination. Which is entirely illegal as the laws are right now, as without a LTCF you are restricted to transporting a handgun (and as it is, it has to be unloaded) to the gun shop, gun smith, hunting (for revolvers), and to the range.