Some states reciprocity agreements don't seem to make sense.

[HiredGoon]

One of the holdups for PA and OH to have reciprocity is said to be PA's lack of a training requirement.

In doing some research, I see that WA has reciprocity with OH and WV. But WA has no training requirement at all and yet OH will allow WA license holders to carry in OH.

And WV has a training requirement, but still PA does have reciprocity with them.

So my question is...if OH (which requires training for their license) can have reciprocity with states that don't require training...then why doesn't PA have reciprocity with OH?

I guess our AG doesn't get along with their AG???

[knight0334]

It isn't about AG's getting along. Our's would rubber stamp agreements, since PA's licensing requirements is probably the lowest in the nation - so anyone we'd sign with would have had to gone through stricter controls.

We shouldn't have agreements with most of the ones that we do. How many states require training of the ones we've signed with? We can exclude Alaska from that, and maybe one or two others. ...the rest of them - by the truest adherence of the law, their authorized person should not have signed an agreement. Training is only one issue, some require fingerprinting.

The reason why we do have what we've received is because of the signing party of the other states using their own discretion. States that wont sign with us either force their signing agent to make sure our laws or licensing standards are up to par, or their signing party is a hardass.

[mrjam2jab]

It isn't about AG's getting along. Our's would rubber stamp agreements, since PA's licensing requirements is probably the lowest in the nation - so anyone we'd sign with would have had to gone through stricter controls.

We shouldn't have agreements with most of the ones that we do. How many states require training of the ones we've signed with? We can exclude Alaska from that, and maybe one or two others. ...the rest of them - by the truest adherence of the law, their authorized person should not have signed an agreement. Training is only one issue, some require fingerprinting.

The reason why we do have what we've received is because of the signing party of the other states using their own discretion. States that wont sign with us either force their signing agent to make sure our laws or licensing standards are up to par, or their signing party is a hardass.

WV, VA, NC, TN, KY, LA, MO, TX, OK, ND, WY, CO, AZ, UT, ID

What I find interesting...in looking at this...every one of these states that require training..and yet are Shall Issue...

[press1280]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the WV/PA agreement was an exception because we're neighbors. WV seemed to go out of its way to sign all of the closer states, then move out to more distant ones.
As far as PA/OH goes, there are other things which can get in the way, like the 24-hour permit information access, different disqualifying criteria,exc. I don't know the specifics unfortunately. Maybe the Ohio folks can get on their AG to sign w/PA.

WVCDL has a map at http://www.wvcdl.org/WVCCW.html which shows states that won't sign w/WV because of problems with their law or ours.

[Drylok]

One element is that there is reciprocity but then there's something called "honor". I'll use IN and PA just as an example to explain the way I understand this.

Reciprocity only occurs when IN acknowledges PA permits and PA acknowledges IN permits in return.

However if IN and PA did not have reciprocity one state or the other could still "honor" the others permit.

Is that the way everyone else undestands that?

[LittleRedToyota]

the hangup might be something other than training.

they may have a more stringent list of disqualifying crimes, they may require fingerprints, may require an FBI background check, or who knows.

[press1280]

One element is that there is reciprocity but then there's something called "honor". I'll use IN and PA just as an example to explain the way I understand this.

Reciprocity only occurs when IN acknowledges PA permits and PA acknowledges IN permits in return.

However if IN and PA did not have reciprocity one state or the other could still "honor" the others permit.

Is that the way everyone else undestands that?

Yes, some states like IN honor everyone elses permits, then states like FL will automatically recognize IN in turn. Some states will only recognize certain permits unconditionally.
I think(and someone will need to correct me) PA will only sign into reciprocity agreements. They can't unilaterally recognize another state's permit.I want to say OH is the same.
Maybe PAFOA would like to contact the AG and ask specifically to try to get OH reciprocity or find out what is standing in the way?