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    Default Info on - Open Carry at Wallyword

    I don't think this has been posted on here? I haven't stayed upto date on this site so this may be a repeat.

    From VCDL:

    3. New firearms policy at Wal-Mart lets district managers decide
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    Member A.L. Soots relays his experience at the Fairlawn Wal-Mart:
    Mr. Van Cleave,
    About a month ago, a relative of mine was in the Wal-Mart in
    Fairlawn. He was doing some shopping while open carrying his weapon.
    After being in the store for a little while, he was confronted by the
    assistant store manager, Jim Hancock, who told him that he was
    breaking the law by carrying his firearm, and asked him to remove it
    in the store and let him take it. When my relative said no, the
    manager told him that he could either go with him to the office and
    "straighten this out" or be prosecuted.
    He said, "OK," not knowing what he was going to be prosecuted for.
    When they got to the back of the store, the assistant manager then
    called the Pulaski Sheriff's Department and put the deputy on speaker
    phone and asked what my relative could be charged with. When the
    deputy told him that there was no law being broken, he then hung up
    and started telling my relative that "things were going to change
    when the next president was elected...and people like my relative
    were going to lose their rights to carry weapons."
    When my relative wanted to leave, he was told that he had to write a
    report. After the report was written and signed, he then told him to
    leave the property. There were witnesses to this. After I talked with
    Dave Knight about this, he called and talked with the store manager
    who told him that her store employees would "be educated" and that
    they weren't to bother anyone carrying a weapon in the store.
    Well, last night (August 28, 2007) I was in the same store to
    purchase some ammo for a CCW class that I was teaching. I was in the
    store with a friend of mine. We walked straight from the front door
    to the sporting goods department (open carrying). After standing at
    the counter with no help for a few minutes we were confronted by the
    SAME assistant manager and another employee.
    Mr. Hancock told us that we were not welcome in the store while
    carrying a weapon and he wanted us OFF THE PROPERTY NOW. I asked him
    if this was store policy or his policy. He said it didn't matter, and
    that if we did not leave, we would be charged with trespassing.
    We turned to walk out of the store and Mr. Hancock followed us on our
    heels all the way out. I stopped at one point to ask him why he was
    following us. After we left I made a call to the district supervisor,
    Terry Sartain, and left a message at his office because it was after
    hours. I spoke with Mr. Sartain this morning and he told me that the
    local managers and he were working on a new firearms policy.
    He said that they had cleared it with the home office and the legal
    department and that they were OK to change the policy in his store to
    NO FIREARMS...NO CONCEALED OR OPEN CARRY!! He said that the signs
    were being printed and would be posted in a couple of days.
    The stores affected by this change are Fairlawn, Christiansburg, and
    Salem, with Roanoke stores to follow. So, it looks like Wal-Mart is
    falling. What do we do about this, or is there anything that we can
    do?
    (Update: I just spoke with someone at corporate and was told by them
    that the new Wal-Mart corporate policy on firearms is to let district
    managers decide on the firearms policy for their stores. It is in
    their hands and out of corporate.)
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    I will let everyone know when the signs get posted (if they get
    posted). There are many different ways we may choose to respond, I
    will let you know what we suggest in a future update.
    http://www.geocities.com/rkba2da/vcdl20070903.pdf

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    It is obvious that the only thing that captures the mind and heart of a retailer is a drop in sales. A boycott would be in order. Unfortunately, even if a boycott could be arranged on a nationwide basis a retailer with an inventory as diversified as Wal*Mart would not feel the effect enough to change their policy. A demonstration would have to be across all inventory categories for an extended period of time. Good luck with that.
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    (Update: I just spoke with someone at corporate and was told by them
    that the new Wal-Mart corporate policy on firearms is to let district
    managers decide on the firearms policy for their stores. It is in
    their hands and out of corporate.)
    I wonder what WalMart's Corporate policy will be next week...

    Seems like every time someone asks they get a different answer.

    IMO, phone calls to get an answer on a co. or gov policy or position are not appropriate. Instead of calling them this should be written so there is a written response. $.02

    PS: Just OC'd in Wilkes-Barre WalMart again last night (against my will, wifes idea since "we we're close")
    Actually had a good encounter, handed out another PA Gun Rights flyer to an interested citizen...
    Last edited by Pa. Patriot; September 15th, 2007 at 01:10 PM.

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    Default Re: Info on - Open Carry at Wallyword

    Quote Originally Posted by TRB View Post
    It is obvious that the only thing that captures the mind and heart of a retailer is a drop in sales. A boycott would be in order. Unfortunately, even if a boycott could be arranged on a nationwide basis a retailer with an inventory as diversified as Wal*Mart would not feel the effect enough to change their policy. A demonstration would have to be across all inventory categories for an extended period of time. Good luck with that.
    Although a boycott may sound like a step in the right direction, it has the potential to bite the shooters in the ass harder than it would bite Wal-Mart in the ass.
    A boycott centered on this issue would be by firearm owners. If firearm owners don't buy anything from Wal-Mart, Wal-Mart will see more of a decline in ammo sales than anything else. (Who other than firearm owners would buy ammo?) Other shoppers will still buy hardware, cleaning supplies, groceries etc... When something doesn't sell well at Wal-Mart, it soon becomes a discontinued item. If the store in question is already leaning in the anti-gun direction, there's a better than good chance that they'd discontinue ammo sales before they change their policy toward OC. The shelf space would then be devoted to something more profitable, and your less expensive WWB isn't as inexpensive or convenient any more.
    Just something to think about. Which way would you rather have it?
    Like it or not, I think Wally World holds the better hand and it's hard to bluff an experienced player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mauser View Post
    Although a boycott may sound like a step in the right direction, it has the potential to bite the shooters in the ass harder than it would bite Wal-Mart in the ass.
    A boycott centered on this issue would be by firearm owners. If firearm owners don't buy anything from Wal-Mart, Wal-Mart will see more of a decline in ammo sales than anything else. (Who other than firearm owners would buy ammo?) Other shoppers will still buy hardware, cleaning supplies, groceries etc... When something doesn't sell well at Wal-Mart, it soon becomes a discontinued item. If the store in question is already leaning in the anti-gun direction, there's a better than good chance that they'd discontinue ammo sales before they change their policy toward OC. The shelf space would then be devoted to something more profitable, and your less expensive WWB isn't as inexpensive or convenient any more.
    Just something to think about. Which way would you rather have it?
    Like it or not, I think Wally World holds the better hand and it's hard to bluff an experienced player.
    ^^^Much wisdom.

    It would seem to be a mistake to allow someone at the District Manager level set store policy. Are they opening themselves up to some liability concerns if something bad happens and the policy is not corporate wide? IANAL but it would appear that something that is as important enough to be written into the Bill of Rights should rate a decision at a level higher than DM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mauser View Post
    Although a boycott may sound like a step in the right direction, it has the potential to bite the shooters in the ass harder than it would bite Wal-Mart in the ass. ...
    This is a great point.

    In light of the inconsistent info that has been given by corporate
    I think the next move should be to pressure corporate for a formal, written clarification of policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pa. Patriot View Post
    In light of the inconsistent info that has been given by corporate
    I think the next move should be to pressure corporate for a formal, written clarification of policy.

    I agree entirely. If Wal-Mart is going to allow pinheads to decide firearms policy based on their individual political agenda's than that policy should be clearly disclosed.
    They are just pandering to the political makeup of a particular area instead of making sound judgments.

    BTW I presume this is Va. If I'm not mistaken Va is one of the states that permits private property to be posted with regard to firearms possession. Didn't a Roanoke newspaper take it upon themselves to list all ccw permit holders in their paper in an attempt to scare the populace? I suppose it shouldn’t come as a surprise all things considered.
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    Default Re: Info on - Open Carry at Wallyword

    I use the same policy everywhere I go. Concealed is concealed. I really don't care what a companys firearm/weapon policy is. My policy of being armed almost at all times trumps theirs in my opinion. And when it get right down to it, my opinion is the only one that counts when it comes to my personal protection.
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    Default Re: Info on - Open Carry at Wallyword

    Quote Originally Posted by tes151 View Post
    I use the same policy everywhere I go. Concealed is concealed. I really don't care what a companys firearm/weapon policy is. My policy of being armed almost at all times trumps theirs in my opinion. And when it get right down to it, my opinion is the only one that counts when it comes to my personal protection.
    I agree about my "policy" vs. theirs, but in PA signs do not have any legal weight, in VA they do. This means that ignoring a sign in VA is a criminal offense. Right or wrong, it's the law. In addition to putting one's self at risk legally, you (not you personally, but anyone) can tarnish the "honorable, law-abiding" image that others are working hard to solidify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gnbrotz View Post
    I agree about my "policy" vs. theirs, but in PA signs do not have any legal weight, in VA they do. This means that ignoring a sign in VA is a criminal offense. Right or wrong, it's the law. In addition to putting one's self at risk legally, you (not you personally, but anyone) can tarnish the "honorable, law-abiding" image that others are working hard to solidify.
    Just for the record in Va it's not a firearms violation, but rather a tresspass violation. I would have to assume, however, if I where to carry concealed in Va contrary to posting , and I actually had to defend myself, I have would assume I would be deep legal shit.
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