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  1. #21
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    Default Re: New Public Range in Danger of Close?

    Actually, I don't think it will end up in court. The zoning for the project is in place, and if the owner has the Ts crossed and the I's dotted in his application, there is nothing that can be done to shut him down; you can't spot zone, and you can't create a new law and apply it ex post facto.

    The 'neighbors', and I use the term loosely, since some of the vocal critics live miles away, might have a case civilly if the range actually causes some harm, but you can't have injury if the business isn't in operation...
    "...a REPUBLIC, if you can keep it."

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    Default Re: New Public Range in Danger of Close?

    I'm told that the Scranton Times will run a major story on this project tomorrow. Anybody know anything about it?

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    Default Re: New Public Range in Danger of Close?

    haven't heard a peep either way since the developer filed the suits...but we're coming up on the deadline for the township to review the plans.
    "...a REPUBLIC, if you can keep it."

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    Default Re: New Public Range in Danger of Close?

    Here's a letter to the editor I saw today.

    http://thetimes-tribune.com/opinion/...-2010-1.925420

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    Default Re: New Public Range in Danger of Close?

    Check out today's Times.

    http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/gun...cials-1.931806

    Interesting article.

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    Default Re: New Public Range in Danger of Close?

    Quote Originally Posted by Article
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    The county evaluation, submitted late last month, also noted that a noise study may be necessary to determine noise levels at the property line. A Ransom Twp. zoning ordinance forbids noise above 60 decibels
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    Talking with a normal voice approximate to a sound pressure level of 70 dB, a raised voice to 76 dB, a very loud voice to 82 dB and a shouting voice to 88 dB (1 m distance).

    For every doubling of the distance from the noise source the sound pressure levels will be reduced by 6 decibels. This may be expressed like:

    Distance......Voice Level (dB)
    (feet)..(m)..Normal..Raised..Very Loud..Shouting
    1........0.3......70........76..........82........ ......88
    3........0.9......60........66..........72........ ......78
    6........1.8......54........60..........66........ ......72
    12......3.7......48........54..........60......... .....66
    24......7.3......42........48..........54......... .....60

    In social situations people often talk with normal voice levels at distances of 1 to 4 meters. In such cases the noise level should not exceed 55 to 60 dB(A).

    1. Breathing = 10 db
    2. Wind in Trees = 20 db
    3. Whisper = 20-30 db
    4. Ticking Clock = 30 db
    5. House in a quiet street = 35 db
    6. Radio music = 50-60 db
    7. Loud conversion = 60 db
    8. Office Noise = 60 db
    9. Children Playing = 60-80 db
    10. Lawn Mower = 60-80 db
    11. Vaccum Cleaner = 80 db
    12. Traffic noise = 60-90 db
    13. Sports car = 80-95 db
    14. Heavy Truck Traffic = 90-100 db
    15. Loud radio = 100 db
    16. Motor Cycle = 105 db
    17. Pneumatic drill = 110 db
    18. Thunder storm = 110 db
    19. Rock music = 120 db
    20. Aircraft noise = 90-120 db
    21. Jet takeoff (at 100 meters distance) = 120 db
    22. Jet engine (at 25 meters distance) = 140 db
    23. Space vehicle launch (short distance) = 140-170 db

    If God didn't intend us to have guns why would he have given us a trigger finger?

  7. #27
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    Default Re: New Public Range in Danger of Close?

    Ransom's Noise Ordinance is woefully incomplete and unenforceable.

    There are standards that must be described correctly; weighting (A or C), the time that the noise is measured over (typically 15 or 30 minutes, sometimes an hour), the type of zone that the site is located in (85 decibels, C weight, over 15 minutes in agricultural, commercial, or industrial areas is the accepted standard for daytime hours); what is the setback distance from the noise source, etc.

    Measuring gun ranges is especially difficult; if you are measuring frmm the property line, and a loud vehicle passes during the reading, it must be done again or the results will be invalid.

    Keep in mind that if the business is operating before the law is rewritten, the range would be safe, anyway, since you can't pass a law ex post facto...

    Reasonably, you can barely hear the sounds of a state range from the roadside, and this company's ranges will be much further back and much better designed than your typical SGL range...
    "...a REPUBLIC, if you can keep it."

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    Default Re: New Public Range in Danger of Close?

    Anybody have any new info on the range?

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    Default Re: New Public Range in Danger of Close?

    Any update to this project?

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    Default Re: New Public Range in Danger of Close?

    I read that the developer got an extension because they are waiting to get approvals from the PNDI in Harrisburgh.

    I know there's activity going on with the project.

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