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Thread: Walther P99 Review
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December 22nd, 2007, 07:38 PM #21Active Member
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Re: Walther P99 Review
NineseveN, how well does this weapon conceal for you? I really like the sounds of this gun but it seems a little large to me. I'm not really all that sensative to weapon size in the right holster mind you, I'm just trying to gauge exactly how big it is.
I currently carry a Glock 19 without issue in a Blade-Tech UCH with no issues what so ever.
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December 23rd, 2007, 09:09 PM #22
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December 23rd, 2007, 09:26 PM #23
Re: Walther P99 Review
It's the most concealable gun I've ever owned to be honest. The technical dimensions are very similar between the G19 and the P99:
G19
L: 6.85"
W: 1.18"
H: 5.00"
Weight (empty): 20.99oz (29.98oz loaded)
P99
L: 7.10"
W: 1.30"
H: 5.30"
Weight (empty): 21.2oz (30.2oz loaded approx)
But those are technical dimensions. Where the Walther differs significant;y from the Glock and other more squared designs like it is that the P99 is sculpted at every corner. The gun has what 1911 enthusiasts call a "melt job" done to it all over the entire gun (there is only one area without rounded lines and corners -the front top-side of the ejection port). This is especially evident in the grip and backstrap area while carrying it. Take a look at the photos below:
The gun in the middle is an FN FNP9, which has a grip profile similar to the Glock in terms or overall shape (the angle is different however). Notice the bulk of it, how it's more blocky than the P99 and the 1911 sandwiching it. The P99 has the oval shaped rear grip, similar to the 1911 (another highly concealable gun), but the sides going back are also scalloped out at the bottom (the place where the gun is most likely to print in my experience). This extremely reduced profile in the rear butt end of the grip and backstrap significantly aid in concealment. Where clothes might be prone to bunch up and gut hung on the squared corners of the Glock grip, they'll slide right past the P99 due to the extremely contoured angle designed into it.
If you look at the photo above, you'll see that the butt of the grip on the P99 is also "bobtailed" (another 1911 custom option), which also greatly aids in concealment.
Compare those photos to the grip of your Glock. In short, if you can conceal the G19, the P99 should easily conceal as well, if not better.
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December 24th, 2007, 03:27 AM #24Active Member
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Re: Walther P99 Review
Thanks a ton for the reply NineseveN. I think I'm going to have to pick one of these up.
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December 24th, 2007, 10:41 AM #25Grand Member
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Re: Walther P99 Review
This was an extremely well written review but somehow that doesn't surprise me.
However, there are a couple of things about the AS model that concern me.
Am I the only one that finds pressing the trigger in order to enable SA mode disconcerting?
However, if one prefers DA mode for carry or bedside gun duty, there is a decocker button on the top left of the slide to the rear.
A few years ago we actually had a student in one of our classes with this pistol and he couldn't keep the manual of arms straight. IOW, there were too many options and in actual use he found it too complicated and switched to a glock after struggling with it through the first day and a half.
IMHO, if this pistol strikes your fancy, I'd strongly advise the QA model.
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December 24th, 2007, 11:50 AM #26
Re: Walther P99 Review
Great review, well written.
It won't let me give you any more rep points right now."Having a gun and thinking you are armed is like having a piano and thinking you are a musician" Col. Jeff Cooper (U.S.M.C. Ret.)
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December 24th, 2007, 03:24 PM #27
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Actually, no, you're not the only one. There are a number of people who opt for the QA (DAO) model for that very reason. And I would agree with them about it; if they don't feel comfortable with that option on the gun, I would absolutely advise against it.
Having said that, keep in mind that one does not need to set the trigger (an informal glance at polls on the Walther forums suggests that most don't carry this way, instead opting to leaving it in AS mode which is a long and light pull or decocking it for DA on the first shot). The option itself is only unsafe if the shooter is not safe, which is true of any firing mode or any other feature on a firearm. It would be nearly impossible for someone to accidentally engage the trigger when setting it into SA mode without extreme negligence or a malfunction of the firearm itself. It's terribly hard to describe in words because unlike most other trigger mechanisms, this one has no direct comparison except for target-style set triggers, which are pretty rare as I understand it and even still, they require a different motion to engage.
It isn't something that one would suggest during an adrenaline dump, nor would I think anyone would actually try doing this during one (though there are exceptions), it's an option to set the trigger to SA mode before you put it in your holster for the day. Can it be dangerous if the user is negligent? Sure can, but so can a lot of features or mechanisms on any handgun.
IMO a decocker that forces you to break your firing grip is also a bit of a concern.
A few years ago we actually had a student in one of our classes with this pistol and he couldn't keep the manual of arms straight. IOW, there were too many options and in actual use he found it too complicated and switched to a glock after struggling with it through the first day and a half.
I've seen people in training have a hard time with the thumb safety on a 1911. They just couldn't get disengaging the safety down during drawing and firing for speed. That's not a slight on the 1911, it's a limitation of the user. Eventually they all pretty much got it down after a lot of instruction and practice, but that instruction came from people intimately familiar with the 1911 and how to overcome such seemingly small challenges.
The P99 probably isn't a gun for someone who won't take the time alone to get intimately familiar with how to operate it...but I would submit that such a person probably wouldn't be proficient with any other gun without a lot of programming coming in the form of instruction from people familiar with the specific gun or the manual of arms for that firearm type.
IMHO, if this pistol strikes your fancy, I'd strongly advise the QA model.Last edited by NineseveN; December 24th, 2007 at 03:27 PM.
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December 24th, 2007, 05:13 PM #28Grand Member
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Re: Walther P99 Review
I'll have to take a look at yours but it still troubles me because it violates Rule #3. So does field stripping a glock but at least with glocks you're pressing the trigger on a cleared weapon.
That depends on your hand size and what thumb you decock with. Your weak hand thumb can engage the decocker quite easily for most people. However, again, this isn't like a slide stop/release where someone will be needing to do it in the middle of combat (arguably, one would always want SA over the DA pull in a firefight), it's a method to add an extra bit of idiot-proofness or carry comfort to the gun before holstering for the day. Doing it with the weak hand or with the strong hand once the gun is in the holster (the two ways I would normally do it) is trivial.
No offense meant to that person, but unless the instructors were demanding him use the gun in a certain way, I find that must have been a problem with the user. One needs not do anything to the gun any differently than the Glock, one need not use any of those options. With a Glock, you load the gun and holster it. There is no set of the trigger available, there is no decocker, and there is no safety. There is no need for the user to set the Walther trigger, it can be fired just by doing nothing more than loading the gun; same as a Glock (with a better, though longer trigger pull IMHO). There is no need to decock the gun, it's only there if one desires to use it (the P99 is no less safe when cocked than a Glock is sans decocker). If the instructors were demanding or training that this person must use the decock or the set trigger on the gun simply because they exist, IMHO, that's a problem with the training as well (the instructors being unfamiliar with the nuances of a different gun they may have had little to no experience with).
IIRC, the student was the source of the confusion and it was his choice to switch to his glock.
I can understand from a marketing perspective designing in all those options and it's a credit to walther's engineering prowess to have figured out a way to do all that in one platform.
OTOH, they also gave us the P-38 and the rest as they say, is history.
I have no doubt it's a quality handgun but IMO providing that many options was unnecessary in what is essentially a striker fired design. I liken it to the version of the M&P 45 and Glock 21SF with the thumb safety. The only reason for a manual safety was due to it being a design criteria for the new .mil pistol that has yet to materialize.
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December 24th, 2007, 05:31 PM #29Super Member
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Re: Walther P99 Review
Great review, and thanks for sharing!! Now if only I could win the one on fnforum.net
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December 24th, 2007, 08:23 PM #30
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I understand what you're saying, but dry fire practice violates rule #1 on a technical standpoint. The 4 rules are layered, meaning they all have to be broken conceptually for any damage to occur. I understand that your position on that is going to be a lot more strict due to your status as a firearms instructor and you have to look at the lowest denominator, but there are a number of things that according to many instructors are not safe and that opinion is based on the idiots and not the norm.
I hear a lot of instructors advising against exceptionally light Single Action triggers for carry, yet if one follows the 4 rules, it's not an issue that an extra pound or two in the trigger can or really needs to solve. There are and have been many that advise against carrying a Glock or any gun without a manual safety. Some seem to cling to the idea that a DAO is the best way to go and all else is only for professionals (and even then sometimes not).
Regardless, again, one doesn't need to pre-set the P99 trigger, most don't, they simply leave it alone or decock it.
I'm trying to conceptualize. One can reach the decocking button with the support side thumb w/o breaking their firing grip?
This was five or six years ago and I really can't recall the particulars. If I had to guess I'd say the only thing we asked him to do was decock on going to Low Ready after a drill as one would with a conventional DA/SA pistol.
I can understand from a marketing perspective designing in all those options and it's a credit to walther's engineering prowess to have figured out a way to do all that in one platform.
OTOH, they also gave us the P-38 and the rest as they say, is history.
I have no doubt it's a quality handgun but IMO providing that many options was unnecessary in what is essentially a striker fired design. I liken it to the version of the M&P 45 and Glock 21SF with the thumb safety. The only reason for a manual safety was due to it being a design criteria for the new .mil pistol that has yet to materialize.
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