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    Default Re: man cleaning a handgun in York shot his 3-year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by newskate9 View Post
    I may get smacked for this, but it's worth it.

    This guy needs to lose his guns and go to jail. There is NO excuse or circumstance that would have me handling a loaded weapon with kids around, especially toddlers. Holstered or locked or some other SAFE situation - but handling it????? NFW!!!!!

    I've said it before and say it again - CLEANING has become an excepted PC excuse for ND's and WE are allowing it to happen. Even thinking about handling that gun for a minute and this would not have happened. I don't know what he was doing but "dicking" with it, or showing off, or CUTTING CORNERS by not making the area safe, come to mind. This is WRONG and should be punished, period.

    Rant off.
    Uh yea, your painting with an awfully big brush there. My now almost 6 year old has been shooting my Ruger 10/22 with my help since age 4 and she now can properly identify all the parts and re assemble my Ruger .45 pistol by her self.
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    Default Re: man cleaning a handgun in York shot his 3-year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiley-X View Post
    "Cleaning accidents" have been the standard "stupid mistake" for decades. It's easy and difficult to disprove. "Why were you handling the gun?" "I was getting ready to clean it."

    It could have been the standard semi-auto mistake: rack the slide, drop the mag, boom!

    Ask any large police department how often that happened after they switched to semi-autos.
    A little off the topic but do you have any idea how many POLICE OFFICERS blew the hell out of roofs and lightbars back when they mounted shotguns on the passenger side of Patrol Cars with the barrel pointed up?

    Officers used the shotguns as ashtrays, trash receptical for paper and plastic wrappers, chicken bones, used condoms, and who knows what all else. Especially with hot seat cars, someone would put a live round the chamber and forget that and some other poor fellow would come along and "accidently" touch the trigger and blam, "hole in the roof" (to the tune of Pants falling down) lightbar shot all to hell...etc...LOL

    Yeah, got to love it...

    As far as this Negligent Discharge and the round striking the child...one lucky man, on all fronts.

    Everyone will have a NG, fact. Its just a matter of when and where.

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    Default Re: man cleaning a handgun in York shot his 3-year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by customloaded View Post

    Everyone will have a NG, fact. Its just a matter of when and where.
    I believe that anyone CAN have a ND, I don't, however buy that everyone WILL.

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    Default Re: man cleaning a handgun in York shot his 3-year-old

    Muzzle should always be pointed in a safe direction. I don't care if the gun is loaded or not. No excuse for this moron

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    Default Re: man cleaning a handgun in York shot his 3-year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by customloaded View Post

    Everyone will have a NG, fact. Its just a matter of when and where.
    I have alot of respect for you Len, but I think that is a pretty wide statement.

    Not saying it can't ever happen to me, but I've been handling guns for 21 years & I'm still anal about where it's pointed & what I'm doing when I handle a weapon that I know is loaded or that I haven't personally verified is unloaded (multiple times too LOL).

    My grandpa had guns his entire life & while I can't say for sure since I wasn't there...I don't know of any NDs he ever had.

    I think you've inspired me to start a poll!
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    Default Re: man cleaning a handgun in York shot his 3-year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by customloaded View Post
    Everyone will have a NG, fact. Its just a matter of when and where.
    This is simply not true. I've been handling firearms my entire life, and not once have I ever even come close to having an ND.

    Before I handle or clean a firearm, I check to make sure it's clear, check it again, and then right before I start the field strip and I'm positive it's clear, I still check once more.

    Anyone who follows the basic common sense principals of firearm safety will most likely never have an ND.

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    Default Re: man cleaning a handgun in York shot his 3-year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by customloaded View Post
    Everyone will have a NG, fact. Its just a matter of when and where.

    I disagree with this too!
    You can't have a negligent or accidental discharge unless you do something you shouldn't be doing.



    I personally don't understand what is so complicated about semi-autos.
    I know on my XD, AR or my PS90, the FIRST thing I do is LOCK THE SLIDE. No dropping mags, no nothing. LOCK the slide back. THEN drop the mag, and look a the chamber. Then close the slide. THEN - OPEN AND CLOSE THE SLIDE TWICE.

    I even do this at the range. On my PS90, my Garand, my AR, or my XD. Open fully, look, let slam. Open fully, look.
    Even IF I somehow miss a round in the chamber the first opening, that wasn't extracted somehow, by letting the action close, you would fully chamber the round you "missed". By then opening fully again, you would allow it to extract and eject, and allow a SECOND visual inspection.

    What is so hard about that??
    Last edited by DethWshBkr; February 11th, 2010 at 05:30 PM.

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    Default Re: man cleaning a handgun in York shot his 3-year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by son of the revolution View Post
    Uh yea, your painting with an awfully big brush there. My now almost 6 year old has been shooting my Ruger 10/22 with my help since age 4 and she now can properly identify all the parts and re assemble my Ruger .45 pistol by her self.
    Sounds like you're answering a different question. YES, you teach your kids and are doing a great job. But - I'd bet my car, you'd not handle a loaded gun anywhere near them, pointing at them, during or not during "cleaning" it. And if you're teaching them correctly, I suspect they already know better too.

    ** Treat every gun, as it is loaded, all of the time. ** If I'm cleaning, I separate my guns from all ammo, move to another room, check and recheck. I believe this is how MOST of us, CLEAN our guns.

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    Default Re: man cleaning a handgun in York shot his 3-year-old

    [QUOTE=newskate9;1093961] There is NO excuse or circumstance that would have me handling a loaded weapon with kids around, especially toddlers.QUOTE]

    Dont want to smack you, but as far as handling around kids goes, I've done it with all my kids, and safely! Safety is the key! All people including kids should know how to handle a firearm. This moron should be charged. I'll draw the line at that.
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    Default Re: man cleaning a handgun in York shot his 3-year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by newskate9 View Post
    Sounds like you're answering a different question. YES, you teach your kids and are doing a great job. But - I'd bet my car, you'd not handle a loaded gun anywhere near them, pointing at them, during or not during "cleaning" it. And if you're teaching them correctly, I suspect they already know better too.

    ** Treat every gun, as it is loaded, all of the time. ** If I'm cleaning, I separate my guns from all ammo, move to another room, check and recheck. I believe this is how MOST of us, CLEAN our guns.
    So what kind of ride do you have and when can I pick it up ? Cause yes my daughter is in the room, usually right next to me when I unload and clear the Ruger pistol before stripping it down so she can reassemble it. And then whenever the training " session " is over she's still there when I load up , chamber a round and put it away.
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