Radnor Township Considering Mandatory Reporting of Lost or Stolen Firearms Could be C

[andrewjs18]

I'm unable to go. will someone voice record the meeting?

[anonymouse]

I'm unable to go. will someone voice record the meeting?

I'm assuming they'll video tape it like the previous meetings, but I plan on recording it anyway. Gotta buy a new voice recorder though.

[Conglomeration Al]

I am not a resident of Radnor, but I think I'll go. If this were happening in my town I'd want everybody around my area to come support me.

And who was the guy who said don't OC at this thing? I think i'm gunna OC both my pistols, just because I can.

[Dannytheman]

I am not a resident of Radnor, but I think I'll go. If this were happening in my town I'd want everybody around my area to come support me.

And who was the guy who said don't OC at this thing? I think i'm gunna OC both my pistols, just because I can.

I think it was Sebastion who recommended not open carrying. His point was that if enough people open carry, it might change the perception of the media and residents. It would take a discussion about preemption and make it about "people open carrying guns"! Do what you want, I rarely OC, and I have no intention of doing it at this meeting! I like the old adage of Getting more bees with honey. I will attempt to keep the evening focused on defeating the enemy, not make a statement!

[Conglomeration Al]

Point taken, Danny.

So how many people will be there and who is going to stand up and make a statement?

[anonymouse]

ROLL CALL

1. amagi
2. Kb! Bob
3. Dannytheman
4. Conglomeration Al
5. anonymouse
6. IronSight
7. .....
8. .....
9. .....
10. .....

Anyone I missed?

[gnbrotz]

I'm too far away to make the meeting, but I disagree that intentionally NOT open carrying is a good thing. I think everyone should carry as they would normally. If that just happens to be OC, go for it.

I don't OC to impress or intimidate. It's just my preferred method of carry whether I'm going to the grocery store or a public meeting.

[son of the revolution]

I'm too far away to make the meeting, but I disagree that intentionally NOT open carrying is a good thing. I think everyone should carry as they would normally. If that just happens to be OC, go for it.

I don't OC to impress or intimidate. It's just my preferred method of carry whether I'm going to the grocery store or a public meeting.

I dont personally disagree with your reasoning in anyway Greg, but you also know we are involved in a "media " war first and foremost and I definetly see the issue of L&S being lost in the backround of intense feelings and media coverage from people going to the meeting OCing. We need to win the majority of the little battles at the local level in order to win the war long term. Doing what we can, within reason and without wholesale compromise of our values to manage and win the "perception " part pays big dividends. It might be wrong and unfair, but my take is everyone showing up OCing will only play right into CeaseFire's hands in painting all of us as extremists. We want the sheep on our side, and paint CeaseFire to be the extremists.

[gnbrotz]

I dont personally disagree with your reasoning in anyway Greg, but you also know we are involved in a "media " war first and foremost and I definetly see the issue of L&S being lost in the backround of intense feelings and media coverage from people going to the meeting OCing. We need to win the majority of the little battles at the local level in order to win the war long term. Doing what we can, within reason and without wholesale compromise of our values to manage and win the "perception " part pays big dividends. It might be wrong and unfair, but my take is everyone showing up OCing will only play right into CeaseFire's hands in painting all of us as extremists. We want the sheep on our side, and paint CeaseFire to be the extremists.

I've personally interacted with the media, in person, on over a dozen occasions (usually over the issue of OC itself) - OC every single time. On one occasion I was misquoted pretty badly, but I've never been characterized by the media as an "extremist" and have been often been asked if I'm an attorney because of my knowledge of PA firearm laws and my professional manner.

Again, I would never tell anyone what they should do, I'm just offering what *I* would do, and my reasoning.

[WhiteFeather]

What is the message that is most important to be made your ego, your message or what the other side can make of it in a press release?

Why are you going, what is the most important message you are trying send by you? what you say or the way you are dressed.

When the media covers this event, how will they spin it to the general public, there is a right time and place for everything, just decide how you want to play it or lose or what is the point of your efforts.

Read what the other side said..... in there Press release about West Mifflin
http://www.ceasefirepa.org/node/131


He is a better reason from one of the PAFOA attorney's point of view PeteG.
http://forum.pafoa.org/allegheny-27/...en-page-9.html

Originally Posted by falcn
My favorite was the quote from the CeaseFire page about those of us Open Carrying our Firearms....

We did not attempt to INTIMIDATE council. We attempted to make them understand the futility of their ordinance, and the ILLEGALITY of the ordinance. . . .

I don't see where us being OC needed to be mentioned? This was not done as an intimidation factor. I carry that way.

I only heard 1 or 2 residents that were in support of the ordinance. Against our at least 25 opponents....Why don't they mention the number of their supporters?!

Originally Posted by PeteG

You are concerned about the truth of the matter. But to people observing at a distance (or being reported to by people observing at a distance) appearances are "the truth."

When I show up at a hearing over whether my client agreed to buy a bulldozer, I do my best to have client be clean and well-dressed when he arrives. What does his being clean and well-dressed have to do with whether he agreed to buy the bulldozer? Obviously nothing. But it has everything to do with appearances; in that case, an appearance of respect for the tribunal and the jury, which gives my client the credibility he needs to get his bulldozer at the price he was promised. Or, he could come in with muddy boots, spit on the floor, insist "this is who I am and I don't care who likes it," and sacrifice his chances of winning for his pride. (It is always his call; I just point out the rules of the game.)

Showing up with a gun on sends a message - and you don't get to say what that message is. How that message will be read will depend upon the circumstances, and one's audience ... not what's in your head.

Further, when it comes to political issues like this, there are always vermin in the gallery, looking for some way to "spin" what you say and do, with no regard for truth or fairness. You get to decide whether you will hand them ammunition.

Why don't they mention the numbers of thier supporters? Because they are a propaganda organization, not a debate team.

If you are going to play this game, you should learn the rules.

Of course, if you were not carrying openly they would have found something else. (E.g., if you were overweight, they would refer to you as "big bellied opponents of".) The issue is not whether they will find something to lie about; the issue is whether anyone will be convinced. The less powerful stuff they have, the weaker thier lies.

And before you flame me, keep in mind that I don't make the rules, I am just forced to follow them.


Now everyone that is going has to decide what is the reason and main objective of them going?

Is it about OC vs CC deabte or about illegal vs legal ordinance so where do you want them to focus their attention.

What is more important to you, being effective or a chance not being taken serious?

Are your going to make a statement, to make a point just to feel good and read PeteG excellent point again to decide which way you want to play the game.