$35 Gun Registration?

[david1]

WOW sounds like a good deal where do I sign up? ........KIDDING!

[God's Country]

Why pay anything? They already do it for free

[GunLawyer001]

I was told by an Agent of the Attorney General's Office that there is, in fact, a voluntary gun registry in PA... for $35 your firearm will be placed on the registry to assist LE in tracking your firearm in the event it is stolen/recovered.

My time at PAFOA had me thinking otherwise, but said agent was quite sure of this.

So what of it, brothers?

Did he volunteer to accept your cash and handle it for you?

Maybe it's like that "star registry", where they take your money and pick one of the trillions of invisible stars, attach your name to it, put it in a book, then send a copy to the Library of Congress for that "listed officially with the government" thing. As though the civilization living on the 4th planet orbiting "Sheila H. Leibovitz" is going to accept the renaming....

[son of the revolution]

Why pay anything? They already do it for free

Better question, even IF it was true, and even IF it were legal. Why in the name of all that is holy would ANYONE actually voluntarily provide information to the government about what weapons they have and where they are ? Although Florida didnt have Open Carry ( I hear their trying to change that ) , I really liked the fact that FTF transfers of long guns AND pistols between State Residents were completley legal with NO ONE being the wiser.

[Nic]

LMAO.

$35 bucks to be self-violated.

I'll bet for another $10, they will store your extra house key and the combination to your gun safe.

[Al-Mumit]

Let me clarify; this came up during a casual conversation about gun crime. After a day of sitting in court and watching the incredibly, remarkably stupid shit people will do to themselves/their firearms for no gain whatsoever the conversations after revolved around gun crime, how stolen firearms are tracked and whatnot...

Title 18, Chapter 61, Subchapter A,

Thanks, mauser... I only briefly mentioned the fact that registrations were illegal during the conversation but didn't know the exact wording or where in the law it appeared...

[zeister]

The Canadian national gun registry has been a total catastrophe. It is so bad that after 12 years there is a bill in Parliament to end the registration of long guns. Our Liberal Party brought gun control in as political opportunism following the Montreal school shooting of 1989. Registration has led to confiscation and created 'paper' criminals (those who did not register or let their licenses lapse). Don't be fooled. Registration does not save lives or solve crimes!

[mauser]

Let me clarify; this came up during a casual conversation about gun crime. After a day of sitting in court and watching the incredibly, remarkably stupid shit people will do to themselves/their firearms for no gain whatsoever the conversations after revolved around gun crime, how stolen firearms are tracked and whatnot...



Thanks, mauser... I only briefly mentioned the fact that registrations were illegal during the conversation but didn't know the exact wording or where in the law it appeared...

Of course you'll have to expect people to sidestep it saying that it's not a "complete" registry, or some other technicality, but in reality there are numerous ways to own a long gun, shotgun or handgun without having them "registered".
Purchased while living elsewhere, inheritance, private sales of long guns and shotguns are the most common.
Some LEO and other officials will be more than happy to "register" them for you but that's contrary to the law as written.

The 'inheritance' clause (I hope I'm not calling it something that it isn't) can be found here:
Title 18, Chapter 61, subchapter A, 6111.2,

(c) Duty of other persons.--Any person who is not a licensed
importer, manufacturer or dealer and who desires to sell or
transfer a firearm to another unlicensed person shall do so only
upon the place of business of a licensed importer, manufacturer,
dealer or county sheriff's office, the latter of whom shall
follow the procedure set forth in this section as if he were the
seller of the firearm. The provisions of this section shall not
apply to transfers between spouses or to transfers between a
parent and child or to transfers between grandparent and
grandchild.

Bold is mine.

[tl_3237]

The 'inheritance' clause (I hope I'm not calling it something that it isn't) can be found here:
Title 18, Chapter 61, subchapter A, 6111.2,

From a previous post of mine. The 'inheritance' clause is in 6115, not 6111, but consider...

Here's something that has been bothering me that I'll put up for comment.

Is a formal (FFL) transfer required for estate (inheritance) transfers? I am/was of the opinion that no FFL transfer is required in reading §6115(b)(2) but then §6111(c) implies otherwise.


18 PA CSA

§6115(b)(2) Nothing in this section shall be construed to prohibit the transfer of a firearm under 20 Pa CS. Ch. 21 (relating to inter*state succession) or by bequest if the individual receiving the firearm is not precluded from owning or possessing a firearm under section 6105

but

§6111(c) Duty of other persons.--Any person who is not a licensed importer, manufacturer or dealer and who desires to sell or transfer a firearm to another unlicensed person shall do so only upon the place of business of a licensed importer, manufacturer, dealer or county sheriff's office, the latter of whom shall follow the procedure set forth in this section as if he were the seller of the firearm. The provisions of this section shall not apply to transfers between spouses or to transfers between a parent and child or to transfers between grandparent and grandchild.

futhermore the definition of 'person' as used in the UFA:

1 Pa.C.S.A. § 1991 Definitions

The following words and phrases, when used in any statute finally enacted on or after September 1, 1937, unless the context clearly indicates otherwise, shall have the meanings given to them in this section:

"Person." Includes a corporation, partnership, limited liability company, business trust, other association, government entity (other than the Commonwealth), estate, trust, foundation or natural person.

This is an analogous situation that GL001 alluded to where §6115 contains an exception to itself seemingly allowing an act but §6111 seems to apply an independent proscription to same.

GEEZ - even PRNJ has a directed exemption to inheritance transfers. Is PA more stringent than NJ?

[Kramer]

Why pay anything? They already do it for free

Yeah it is free, if your gun is lost or stolen contact the police and report it, why pay $35 for that service?