Mandated PA Concealed "Permit" records system? Did I miss this?

[HiredGoon]

This looks like the bill for those interested:

HOUSE BILL No. 1717 Session of 2005

[XJeffro]

The system already is in place with the PSP, this, more or less, just makes it easier for your county. So the local upgrade should just make it easier for the county.

Ok I see. It's just a system upgrade, then. I was not aware that all Licenses issued were stored in a PSP database. I figured the Sheriff's office just kept record of them. It makes sense that the PSP would have a centralized database. Thanks for the info. I very much appreciate it.

[mjf]

That's not entirely true about the phone number. Some sheriffs are still using the old, large paper licenses, without a photo and without that toll free number to check the LTCF validity.

I don't have a LTCF in Indiana, but my wife does and it's a plastic card with the number, which suggested to me that the PSP already had the info.

Hmm, I didn't know some sheriffs aren't forwarding their info to the PSP yet...

[eXceLon]

I don't recall when this was passed, but it was part of a package that helps make Pennsylvania licenses be more reciprocity friendly. The stumbling block in some states was the fact that PA had no central system where a Leo from another state could check the validity of a PA license. When this is finally implemented I would hope we get a few more states with reciprocity.

Who knows, in the future PA might end being the one permit everybody just has to have. Certainly easier than Utah and cheaper than Florida.

Another reason that we're not recognized in more states is our lack of a training requirement. So while this might help us pick up a few more states, I doubt it will allow us to rival Utah or Florida. Especially given that we have no method of applying entirely by mail from out of state, so far as I'm aware, like those states do.

[JCWohlschlag]

Especially given that we have no method of applying entirely by mail from out of state, so far as I'm aware, like those states do.

http://www.co.centre.pa.us/sheriff/l...pplication.asp

[HiredGoon]

I don't have a LTCF in Indiana, but my wife does and it's a plastic card with the number, which suggested to me that the PSP already had the info.

Hmm, I didn't know some sheriffs aren't forwarding their info to the PSP yet...

Maybe we're on a different track here. I did not mean to imply that the sheriffs who issue the older paper licenses were not sending the info to PSP, they are required by statute to do so.

All I was saying is that not all sheriffs issue the newer, smaller driver's license-type LTCFs with the photo and the call-for-validity-of-license phone number on it

Some will reduce in size and laminate the paper one to give you a wallet sized version.

Below is the older type.

[knight0334]

Ok I see. It's just a system upgrade, then. I was not aware that all Licenses issued were stored in a PSP database. I figured the Sheriff's office just kept record of them. It makes sense that the PSP would have a centralized database. Thanks for the info. I very much appreciate it.

The PSP has always had a record of LTCF's. Just that HB1717 made it electronic with access to other agencies.

When you apply for a LTCF, it is made out in triplicate. You get the original(if you get the paper version), the Sheriff retains one copy, and then Sheriff sends a copy to the PSP.

[mjf]

Maybe we're on a different track here. I did not mean to imply that the sheriffs who issue the older paper licenses were not sending the info to PSP, they are required by statute to do so.

Gotcha... Yeah, I wasn't completely sure what you were saying.

[nlcrsn]

Wait until they come for your guns! Now they have a list of carriers, all they need is a law, a warrant to search the address and good bye firearms!

[son of the revolution]

Another reason that we're not recognized in more states is our lack of a training requirement. So while this might help us pick up a few more states, I doubt it will allow us to rival Utah or Florida. Especially given that we have no method of applying entirely by mail from out of state, so far as I'm aware, like those states do.

Minor point of order that may get me flamed a little. Florida's " Training " requirement is a joke. The entire thing entails a 1 hour "class " half of which is a 50 question, open book , fill in the blank/multiple choice test that my 6 year old could probably pass, and demonstrating to the Instructor that you can hit the paper of a standard sillohuette target at seven yards with at least 3 rounds. Yes, I said hit the paper, nothing about it being actually on target what-so-ever. You can also avoid the "training "requirement if you have a copy of a valid DD-214 or a copy of an NRA Approved Training Cert , i.e. Hunter Ed Course , Basic Pistol , etc.


If it meant greater reciprocity , a 7 year license , and some people at least knowing things like which end is the dangerous one, I dont know that the training thing is such a bad idea. Im sure I'll catch holy hell about "selling out " my guarenteed rights , by attaching a training requirement to the exercise thereof, but thats ok. Maybe a tiered system then ? Keep the current 5 year LTCF, but those that go the extra step get the 7 year LTCF and expanded reciprocity. I hate the Driver's License analogy like most people do, but Im only using it to illustrate my line of thinking. You have your standard license and then you can get the extra endorsements , that give you extra abilities by demonstrating advanced knowledge/training ?