CC in hickoryrun state park? Why such vague rules?

[cadence2arms]

This is what I got off the Hickoryrun state park website. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't it say that firearms must be kept in a case or in a vehicle or owners private building unless hunting where and when allowed, and target shooting where allowed? What about CC. I know we are supposed to be able to cc in state parks. It doesn't say anything about that. It says in section 4 about uncased. Do they mean unholstering? So anything not in a case is prohibited?
§ 11.215. Weapons and hunting.
The following activities are prohibited without written permission of the
Department:
(1) Hunting, pursuing or intentionally disturbing woodchucks, also known as
groundhogs. Paragraph (2) does not apply to this activity.
(2) Hunting, pursuing or intentionally disturbing wildlife unless:
(i) The person engaging in the activity is licensed by the Game Commission to
hunt and is engaged in hunting in accordance with the Game and Wildlife Code.
(ii) The activity takes place in an area designated by the Department for
hunting. At Presque Isle State Park, waterfowl hunting may take place only from
a facility designated by the Department as a waterfowl blind, and shooting shall
be directed away from State park land and over the adjacent waters.
(iii) The activity takes place during hunting season as established by the Game
Commission.
(iv) The firearm, archery equipment or other device used for this activity is
lawful for hunting under the Game and Wildlife Code. A device operated by air,
chemical or gas cylinder by which a projectile can be discharged or propelled is
not lawful for hunting under the Game and Wildlife Code.
(3) Using a device, including a firearm, archery equipment or slingshot, that is
capable of discharging or propelling a projectile, except as provided in paragraph
(2) or (7).
(4) Possessing an uncased device, or uncasing a device, including a firearm,
archery equipment or slingshot, that is capable of discharging or propelling a
projectile, except as provided in paragraph (2) or (7), or except in the owner's
building on a leased campsite, in the owner's residence, or in the owner's vehicle
or trailer.
(5) Failing to keep a device, including a firearm, archery equipment or
slingshot, that is capable of discharging or propelling a projectile, in the owner's
building on a leased campsite, in the owner's residence or in the owner's vehicle
or trailer. This prohibition does not apply to either of the following:
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(i) A person licensed by the Game Commission to hunt, and in possession of a
device that is lawful for hunting under the Game and Wildlife Code, during
hunting season as established by the Game Commission, in a State park open for
hunting.
(ii) A person engaged in target-shooting under paragraph (7).
(6) The trapping of wildlife. This prohibition does not apply to a person
licensed by the Game Commission to engage in trapping, during trapping season
as established by the Game Commission, in an area designated by the Department
for hunting.
(7) Target-shooting with a device, including a firearm, archery equipment or
slingshot, capable of discharging or propelling a projectile, except in an area
designated by the Department for this purpose and in accordance with posted
requirements and restrictions.
(8) Dog training, except from the day following Labor Day through March 31,
in an area designated by the Department for hunting.

[LittleRedToyota]

That is the DCNR regulation against carrying a gun in a state park. In the DCNR regulations, an exception is made for hunting/target shooting but not CCing with an LTCF.

However, the state legislature passed a law last year that says CCing with an LTCF in a state park is OK in spite of the DCNR regulation...basically the legislature overruled the DCNR on that particular point.

So, you can CC in a state park if you have an LTCF even though that sign doesn't refer to the law that overrules the regulation. (They sign isn't really wrong...just incomplete.)

[God's Country]

CC in state parks is legal with a LTCF end of story. Old, outdated, or incorrect info is irrelevant.

Any other weapon not allowed to be carried with a LTCF needs to be unloaded and cased.

[mjf]

That is the DCNR regulation against carrying a gun in a state park. In the DCNR regulations, an exception is made for hunting/target shooting but not CCing with an LTCF.

However, the state legislature passed a law last year that says CCing with an LTCF in a state park is OK in spite of the DCNR regulation...basically the legislature overruled the DCNR on that particular point.

So, you can CC in a state park if you have an LTCF even though that sign doesn't refer to the law that overrules the regulation. (They sign isn't really wrong...just incomplete.)

Right, that sign is still valid, since that regulation does stop you from OCing in a state park.

[cadence2arms]

I understand the whole CC in parks thing. Just can't believe that if someone didn't know the new law, that they would still feel that CC is illegal at hickory run. How hard is it to just put CC is legal with ltcf? What a joke! Thanks for clearing up the difference between the dcnr and the Law that over rules it.

[LittleRedToyota]

I understand the whole CC in parks thing. Just can't believe that if someone didn't know the new law, that they would still feel that CC is illegal at hickory run. How hard is it to just put CC is legal with ltcf? What a joke! Thanks for clearing up the difference between the dcnr and the Law that over rules it.

i agree.

if i lived near there, i might be tempted to print out the statute that says CC in state parks is legal and duct tape it to the bottom of their sign.

[tl_3237]

As LRT alluded to, here is the state statute that overrode the DCNR with regards to CC/in vehicle carry in state parks --

18 Pa CSA 6109(m.2) Inconsistent provisions.--Notwithstanding the provisions of section 7506 (relating to violation of rules regarding conduct on Commonwealth property), 75 Pa.C.S. § 7727 (relating to additional limitations on operation) or the act of June 28, 1995 (P.L. 89, No. 18), [FN3] known as the Conservation and Natural Resources Act, and regulations promulgated under that act, a firearm may be carried as provided in subsection (a) by:

(1) a law enforcement officer whose current identification as a law enforcement officer shall be construed as a valid license to carry a firearm; or

(2) any licensee.

[donm]

The website for the park is at:
http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/statepar...ickoryrun.aspx

In the section on "Hunting and Firearms" --

"Use extreme caution with firearms at all times. Other visitors use the park during hunting seasons. Firearms and archery equipment used for hunting may be uncased and ready for use only in authorized hunting areas during hunting seasons. In areas not open to hunting or during non-hunting seasons, firearms and archery equipment shall be kept in the owner's car, trailer or leased campsite. The only exception is that law enforcement officers and individuals with a valid Pennsylvania License to Carry Firearms may carry said firearm concealed on their person while they are within the park. "

[gnbrotz]

The only exception is that law enforcement officers and individuals with a valid Pennsylvania License to Carry Firearms may carry said firearm concealed on their person while they are within the park. "

Which is not accurate. Reciprocally recognized licenses permit CC in state parks as well, and one might argue that non-reciprocal licenses are valid too, since the statute says ANY licensee.

[cadence2arms]

The website for the park is at:
http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/statepar...ickoryrun.aspx

In the section on "Hunting and Firearms" --

"Use extreme caution with firearms at all times. Other visitors use the park during hunting seasons. Firearms and archery equipment used for hunting may be uncased and ready for use only in authorized hunting areas during hunting seasons. In areas not open to hunting or during non-hunting seasons, firearms and archery equipment shall be kept in the owner's car, trailer or leased campsite. The only exception is that law enforcement officers and individuals with a valid Pennsylvania License to Carry Firearms may carry said firearm concealed on their person while they are within the park. "

I just saw that. But if you click on rules and regs. it doesn't even mention Ltcf or CC.