Must a LTCF be carried on your person ?

[Pa. Patriot]

Wait a minute,
if I purchased a new gun from your store, and it was a stolen gun that would make the store owner responsible. I would expect to be refunded and if not I would take it in a court of law and I almost think a judge would agree with me..

What you "think" is of no relevance

A gun shop has no way to know if a gun is stolen when they receive it and no way to find out.
So if they sell it to you and it later gets discovered, you and the dealer will have a civil issue. I cant say who would win. The FFL reimbursed the few cases I have heard of and been party to personally.
Maybe GL has more info on who would likely be liable to suffer the loss if the issue went to court.

[iceman9999]

"Should be" morally or legally? If legally, citation please. (you had to know I would ask).

ETA - and apparently you did.

Thats why I carry copies just in case. I think a PRUDENT Police Officer would understand the situation and maybe not be so hard on me ....

Of course thats just wishful thinking.

[iceman9999]

What you "think" is of no relevance

A gun shop has no way to know if a gun is stolen when they receive it and no way to find out.
So if they sell it to you and it later gets discovered, you and the dealer will have a civil issue. I cant say who would win. The FFL reimbursed the few cases I have heard of and been party to personally.
Maybe GL has more info on who would likely be liable to suffer the loss if the issue went to court.

Well I went to his establishment to purchase a weapon that I thought was new and unused. Thats like buying a new car and found out its a new stolen car. I am sure the dealership is responsible. If not legally absolutely morally...

[GunLawyer001]

What you "think" is of no relevance

A gun shop has no way to know if a gun is stolen when they receive it and no way to find out.
So if they sell it to you and it later gets discovered, you and the dealer will have a civil issue. I cant say who would win. The FFL reimbursed the few cases I have heard of and been party to personally.
Maybe GL has more info on who would likely be liable to suffer the loss if the issue went to court.

Yes, each buyer has recourse against his seller, and nobody else. It requires privity of contract, the guy who sold you the gun failed to provide what he promised, good title.

It can get involved, sometimes stolen goods are recovered years later, having passed through multiple hands. At some point, a person who resold it will find that his seller can't be found (thieves try to make sure you can't find them later), is judgment-proof, or the applicable statute of limitations has expired. But it's possible for H to sue G, then G sues F, who sues E, and so on, all the way to the thief A.

[GunLawyer001]

I should have been more clear. It may prevent an arrest, but I don't believe it would prevent the seizure of the weapon, which would not be returned if verified as stolen, nor would any compensation for same be made.

Absolutely, the gun is gone, and if it's verified that it was stolen, it goes back to the original owner. I usually think in terms of (1) staying out of jail, and then (2) keeping my stuff, if possible. I assume my clients feel the same.

I'd hope that there'd be more due process than the cop mailing it to the person who filed the theft claim, especially since they're basically encouraging straw purchasers to report every gun as stolen. But I suspect that they usually clear the file by just sending it back, and in the absence of any evidence that you knew it was stolen, they close the file.

[gnbrotz]

Thats why I carry copies just in case. I think a PRUDENT Police Officer would understand the situation and maybe not be so hard on me ....

Of course thats just wishful thinking.

Hope for the best, expect the worst.

[iceman9999]

Hope for the best, expect the worst.

Yep! its all about pounding the chest and making that BIG arrest!!. lol

[Pa. Patriot]

Thats why I carry copies just in case. I think a PRUDENT Police Officer would understand the situation and maybe not be so hard on me ....

Of course thats just wishful thinking.

Vaseline would probably be more useful in obtaining your stated goal

[iceman9999]

Vaseline would probably be more useful in obtaining your stated goal

SIR WOULD YOU PLEASE GET OUT THE JAR>?

LMFAO!!

[Bruce]

Good one, Rich.

...By the way, does anyone know the Standard Operating Procedure for most departments these days regarding officers allowing citizens to "lubricate" first?
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