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August 7th, 2007, 08:42 PM #1
Woman fatally stabbed by her ex; he's fatally shot by a bystander
Don't know if this is a repost, but its an excellent example of why more people should CC in order to prevent more people from being attacked. It's too bad the bystander couldn't act in time to save the woman though.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...webstab05.html
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August 8th, 2007, 09:39 AM #2Super Member
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Re: Woman fatally stabbed by her ex; he's fatally shot by a bystander
This is a shame. PFA orders are a joke and it is time something changes with these.
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August 8th, 2007, 10:03 AM #3
Re: Woman fatally stabbed by her ex; he's fatally shot by a bystander
Not to get off the subject, but what else can you do that doesn't unduly infringe on someone else's rights besides be truly clairvoyant? The truth is, life is dangerous, and it is up to the individual to provide for his or her own safety; the girl should have armed herself. I’m not faulting the victim at all, but the only way to truly make yourself safe without sacrificing everyone else’s rights is to simply provide for yourself the means to repel an attack against your person or property…in this day and age, that generally means a gun, the training on how to use it and perhaps a backup method of defense such as OC spray, a knife, baton, another gun etc….
It's a shame that this woman died though, no matter what the reality of the situation or the world is.
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August 8th, 2007, 10:10 AM #4Super Member
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Re: Woman fatally stabbed by her ex; he's fatally shot by a bystander
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August 8th, 2007, 10:18 AM #5
Re: Woman fatally stabbed by her ex; he's fatally shot by a bystander
That's actually one hell of a post if you think about it (I did ). The very term used for the thing gives a false sense of what it does...it should be called a "A Merely Minor Hidenrance Against Abuse" or "Another Violation We Can Add to the Murder Charge After That Psycho-Stalker Kills You", but I guess those were either taken or too long to fit on the paperwork.
P.S. If someone really wanted to reduce this kind of thing, stand out front of the office where the PFA paperwork is done and hand out flyers and LTCF applications to every woman coming out of there...but that'd be a full-time job methinks.
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August 8th, 2007, 11:33 AM #6
Re: Woman fatally stabbed by her ex; he's fatally shot by a bystander
From article
Police spokeswoman Renee Witt said the party guest had a concealed-weapons permit. She said he likely won't face charges since he acted to prevent further harm.
We need to HB 641 needs to get out of Judicial committee for a vote, passed overwhelming late last session in house but to late for senate vote before it died at end of session.
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/...type=B&BN=0641
Self-protection, general principles of justifications, definitions, protection of other persons, use of force, civil immunity for use of force, sentences for firearm offenses (Amend 18 and 42 Pa.C.S.)
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August 8th, 2007, 12:00 PM #7
Re: Woman fatally stabbed by her ex; he's fatally shot by a bystander
Another aspect is that the act of having a PFA order filed against them tends to add to the rage/anger of the abuser.
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