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[1861]

Okay, so only those who define Christianity exactly as 1861 does are Christians. Which of the following are or are not Christians?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sects_of_Christianity

It may take you a while to get through that whole list-- I'll be patient.

And when you're done with that, perhaps you can tell me who the true Muslims are too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic...s_and_branches

And Buddhists: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sects_of_Buddhism

You can tackle Hindus and Jews too if you like. And then when you're done with all that you explain to us why your personal definition of who is a Christian and who isn't should serve as an objective definition for the rest of us on PAFOA, rather than simply defining people's religious identification by, ya know, how they identify themselves.

And if you can't handle that perhaps you should stop insisting that you know that Klansmen who call themselves Christians aren't really Christian.

In my opinion Yes , in your opinion , I have no idea . After all this is all our opinion .

[larrymeyer]

What the fuck, larry?

This is one Ay-rab that's done defending you.

Eugene;

I had no intention of getting into it with King but after his post and his constituent trying to deflect facts with jokes I had to post that. If I've offended you I'm sorry but I don't put you in the same category as king. You at least fight facts with facts. Not stupid statements like "How many Arabs do we have in the woodpile".

[Philbert]

In my opinion Yes , in your opinion , I have no idea . After all this is all our opinion .

If you can say that Klansmen were not true Christians then someone can say that Hasan was not a true Muslim. This does neatly solve all question that any ideology in the world could have negative consequences because no terrorist is a true Muslim, no abortion violence is carried out by true Christians, no genocide by true communists, and so on.

[Eugene V. Debs]

If you can say that Klansmen were not true Christians then someone can say that Hasan was not a true Muslim. This does neatly solve all question that any ideology in the world could have negative consequences because no terrorist is a true Muslim, no abortion violence is carried out by true Christians, no genocide by true communists, and so on.

"No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says; he is always convinced that it says what he means." -George Bernard Shaw

Works if you replace "Bible" with "Koran" or a lot of other books too.

[King 5.45]

What the fuck, larry?

This is one Ay-rab that's done defending you.

Eugene;

I had no intention of getting into it with King but after his post and his constituent trying to deflect facts with jokes I had to post that. If I've offended you I'm sorry but I don't put you in the same category as king. You at least fight facts with facts. Not stupid statements like "How many Arabs do we have in the woodpile".

Larry, I'm putting you on ignore. It's just easier than trying to deal with you and what you think are debate skills. In that respect, it's like you're wandering around in a target-rich environment carrying a half-rusted out RG revolver and two rounds. I don't mean to hurt your feelings, but there it is. Cutting and pasting somebody else's bullet points about fatwas is saying what? I don't get it, and I've gotten to the point where I don't want to.

For some reason, you still seem to think that I'm either a Muslim or a Muslim sympathizer. I'm neither. For another reason that makes no sense to me, you seem to think that I'm against the State of Israel. I'm not sure why. Maybe it's because you're still convinced that I'm a Muslim?

Check this clip out. It's from a movie called Gadar, one that I think I've mentioned before on this board. The rest of the movie is pretty hokey, but the first part of the movie is an accurate representation of what happened in India in 1947 when the British divided India up into Muslim Pakistan and Hindu/Sikh India. Muslims had to go west, Hindus and Sikhs east, and hundreds of thousands of people died in the process. Gadar doesn't have subtitles, and it doesn't need them.



At 3:18 you hear "Allahu Akbar," when the Muslims attack the train bearing Sikhs trying to leave what is becoming Pakistan. What then happens is pretty much what has happened between Sikhs and Muslims off and on for longer than 500 years. See the guys with the very long beards and big, almost conical colorful turbans? That's us — the non-Muslims, the ones who wield the short, short swords on the train trying to defend ourselves against the Muslims (the guys in the white little hats and the short beards) who have entered the train.

Yes, I was using jokes with you, because I had to, in order to maintain my composure and not fall completely into the terrible temptation that some of your more inexplicable statements have presented. Now, if you'll forgive me, I'm going to let you to whatever it is that you'd like to think of the whole Hasan situation, and me, all on your own, because it's obvious that I can't get through to you, nor to about a half-dozen to a dozen others, the ones who seem to be convinced that all Muslims should be rotten meat, even if some of them won't just come out and say it.

Despite all the bad history, I remain unconvinced that all Muslims are bad. I've known too many who simply wanted to live and let live, enjoy life, and avoid its potholes. Do what you will, but if I know a man to be peaceful and just, I'll defend him, no matter what he is or how many people are howling for his blood.

It's what we do.

[MostlyHarmless]

If you tell me you are an alien from Mars it still doesn't make it so .

But every nutjob shouting Allah u Akbar is a Muslim? Interesting.


Jan

[1861]

Yep , this thread has gotten silly . I am filing my ignore list back up and leaving this thread .

[fritz1]

Yep you got a live one !! Why is it you don't dispute the facts I presented ?? Instead you make fun and try to deflect the truth. Arabs in the woodpile to many willing to blow themselves up and take innocent men woman and children with them if this is a wrong fact ? Why ?? Is this wrong show me where.

1. WHY don't you come out and say that's what you want Israel out of the Middle East and America to stop helping them. So Islam can destroy them. You have a devout follower in Ahmadinejad who keeps saying the Holocaust didn't exist.

2. Maybe its this story
http://story.afghanistansun.com/inde...d/564179/cs/1/

3. Fatwa Watch 2

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...a_Watch_2&only
Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 10:49:13 am PDT

Muslim “scholars” in India have issued a death fatwa against author and women’s rights activist Taslima Nareen.

NEW DELHI, Aug 18 (APP): Taslima Nasreen, an exiled controversial Bangladeshi writer, who is in India, has asked the Indian government to provide her security in the wake of the Fatwa for death to her, issued by Indian Muslim scholars for writing a blasphemous book

4. EGYPT: Fatwa issued against secular author
http://www.copts.co.uk/index.php?opt...=1447&Itemid=2

Written by Amro Hassan
Los Angeles Times
27 July 2009


Egypt's Grand Mufti Ali Gomaa
Photo: Credit: BBC

The Egyptian Islamic Legislation Authority has declared writer and researcher Sayed Kemny a criminal and an infidel, saying he doubts and has repudiated Islam.

The fatwa, which comes nearly a month after the author was granted Egypt's 2009 State Incentive Prize in sociology, was issued last week in a response to a letter sent to the Islamic Legislation Authority inquiring about the religious consequences for someone who denounces Islam in his books.

5. http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-58225025.html

A London-based Muslim group has sentenced to death the American author of a play depicting Jesus as a homosexual. The group, Al-Muhajiroun, which describes itself as the Defenders of the Messenger Jesus, said Jesus is considered an important prophet in Islam and that classical and modern Islamic authorities agree that capital punishment is the prescribed penalty for insulting a messenger of God.

6. Ahmed Salman Rushdie

His fourth novel, The Satanic Verses (1988), was the center of The Satanic Verses controversy, with protests from Muslims in several countries. Some of the protests were violent, with Rushdie facing death threats and a fatwā issued by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the Supreme Leader of Iran, in February 1989.

7. Fatwa against Shabana Azmi

Film actress Shabana Azmi has earned the wrath of the mullahs in Hyderabad because she tonsured her head for her role in the controversial film, Water.

8. Malaysia Issues Fatwa On Ghosts

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/166390

Well, there have been fatwa's against authors, fatwa's against Muslim's marrying Buddhists, and even a fatwa against urinating while standing up. The latest to be added to the long list of don'ts for Muslims ... ghosts.

9. Report: Muslim Cleric Issues Fatwa Against Bollywood Star for Wax Figure

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,325292,00.html

Bollywood star Salman Khan had a fatwa issued against him for allowing Madame Tussauds in London to make his image in wax, the Daily Mail reported.

10. The Deobandi fatwa


The fatwa defined terrorism as violence "targeting innocent people." Such a definition is not new and doesn't set clear boundaries. For the question at hand is what does "innocent" mean? On several web sites and on many shows on al Jazeera television, Jihadi apologists often use the Arabic term"bare'e" for "innocent" and assure the audience that Jihad cannot target the latter.


But Usama Bin Laden and Ayman Zawahiri, and to some extent Hassan Nasrallah, all claim that innocence is relative. Al Qaeda explicitly targets innocent civilians and has authorized the massacre of 4 million US citizens as of 2001. Bin laden explains that civilians who vote for and pay taxes to the infidel enemy are not "innocent."


Hezbollah targets innocent civilians as well, not only in Israel but also in Lebanon and overseas (as in Argentina). The concept of "innocent" isn't that innocent in Jihadism. For the militant ideologues can render individuals and groups "bare'e' or not "bare'e" at their discretion.


Leading Islamist scholar Sheikh Yusuf al Qardawi expounds at will on the innocence of civilians, detailing how civilian populations have been considered as part of the war efforts of the enemies of the Caliphate. In short, the status of "innocence" doesn't overlap fully with the status of "civilians." It is a matter of discretion in Jihadi warfare. Hence, to claim that Terrorism is defined as targeting innocent people is to claim that not all civilians are innocent, and that not only breaches international law, but gives credence to Jihadi violence.


Who is a "terrorist"?


Moreover, still the fatwa doesn't identify al Qaeda, or any other similar group, including the Taliban, as Terrorist organizations. And as of now, no subsequent fatwas based on this Deobandi fatwa have done so yet. Therefore, in terms of identification of terror entities, the edict has failed to show its followers who is the terror perpetrator.


This text simply doesn't bring novelty to the debate about Jihadi-rooted Terrorism. For years, particularly since 2001, Islamist ideologues and militant groups have refrained from simply naming those terror groups as such. Spokespersons have constantly repeated that condemning terrorism in general is enough.


If the Muslim scholars followed this logic on the question of occupations, then neither Iraq nor Palestine should be specifically mention. But that is not the case.


Legal basis


The Deobandi fatwa didn't explain what where the legal basis for the edict. Was there any new ground broken? Which were the previous rules that have changed regarding terrorism? Is the fatwa a reminder of a principle or a new principle to be adopted? Is the rejection of terrorism a duty (wajib) and what kind of obligation?


All these questions are warranted so that a fair assessment of the statement can be issued. Unfortunately, the legal grounds are not specific enough to enable readers -- and eventually followers -- to understand the absolute injunction of rejection of Terrorism.

11. Muhammad Anwar Al Sadat, or Anwar El Sadat (Arabic: محمد أنور السادات‎, Muḥammad Anwar as-Sādāt)

His visit to Israel and the eventual Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty won him the Peace Abbey Courage of Conscience award posthumously, but was an act enormously unpopular with the Arab world and Islamists, and resulted in Egypt being expelled from the Arab League.

A fatwā approving the assassination had been obtained from Omar Abdel-Rahman, a cleric later convicted in the U.S. for his role in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

Peaceful my ass lets kill anyone who writes what we don't like (So I guess I'll make the fatwa list) or draws a picture we don't like.

Refute these facts !!!!!! I know they prove nothing Islam is a peaceful religion. Like I said in previous post I have friends who are Muslims but I hold no illusions that if the Holy Man stands up in Mecca and says Jihad I'd have to watch my back because they couldn't protect me

That was good reading, be safe

[fritz1]

You seem(ed) reasonable enough early in this thread to recognize the difference between the koran and the bible. Koran gives instructions on how to deal with non believers. The bible gives us a look into how things were dealt with in the past.


Please post some examples of people using the old testament to justify acts of terrorism, no less 100's of thousands of deaths around the world in the last 10 years alone and I'll concede your "point".

Anyway, back in the world of those that can think for themselves and see the REAL PROBLEM. ISLAM is the #1 cause of death among all religious related deaths in the world for at LEAST the last 40 years.
NOT Christianity, not Judaism, not Hindus, not Buddhism, etc etc...
Any questions?

So true, couldn't have said better

[1861]

Sorry, I forgot about the fact that women can't stand on their own...

The CO Church and now Ft. Hood.....

Yeah, they can't take care of business.......

Well , they have finally declared that she did not hit Hassan , Sgt . Todd shot him . They are comparing this to the Jessica Lynch fiassco now .