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November 4th, 2009, 02:33 PM #1Banned
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Anti-gun ObamaCare bill Coming to the House Floor Very Soon
From an e-mail I received;
Anti-gun ObamaCare bill Coming to the House Floor Very Soon
-- This week is the critical time to lobby your Representative
Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
http://www.gunowners.org
Wednesday, November 4, 2009
We have reached the point in the battle over ObamaCare which will decide whether we win or lose.
The details of Speaker Nancy Pelosi's bill are in, and they can be seen at http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf .
The bill (H.R. 3962) is 1,990 pages long and weighs over 20 pounds. And even though a search of the bill will not reveal the word "gun" or "firearm," that doesn't mean the bill is neutral in regard to your Second Amendment rights.
For starters, this bill will -- like all the ObamaCare versions before it -- most likely result in all of your gun-related health data being dumped into a government database that was created in the stimulus bill. This includes any firearms-related information your doctor has gleaned... or any determination of PTSD, or something similar, that can preclude you from owning firearms.
The bill will also create special "wellness" programs in section 112 which would allow the government to offer lower premiums to employers who bribe their employees to live healthier lifestyles -- and nothing within the bill would prohibit rabidly anti-gun HHS Secretary Sebelius from decreeing that "no guns" is somehow healthier.
The bill purports to cut Medicare by $500 billion -- in a move which will result in massive rationing for seniors, while ultimately adding hundreds of billions of dollars to the deficit.
The bill will mandate that you purchase expensive government-approved policies and will (according to some studies) triple your insurance premiums through taxes and government requirements.
Of course, this all means that you will have less money to spend on pursuing your real passions -- like providing for your family and purchasing guns and ammunition!
ACTION: Write your Representative. Tell him or her to oppose this bill. Don't be discouraged by reports in the liberal media which have tried to tell us -- since January -- that this battle is hopeless. We can win, and, with your help, we will win.
You can use the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to send a pre-written message to your Representative.
----- Pre-written letter -----
Dear Representative:
The Pelosi health care bill, sponsored by Rep. Dingell, has now been made public.
For starters, this bill will -- like all the ObamaCare versions before it -- most likely result in all gun-related health data being dumped into the government database that was created in the stimulus bill. This includes any firearms-related information that doctors have gleaned... or any determination of PTSD, or something similar, that can preclude a person from owning firearms.
The bill will also create special "wellness" programs in section 112 which would allow the government to offer lower premiums to employers who bribe their employees to live healthier lifestyles -- and nothing within the bill would prohibit rabidly anti-gun HHS Secretary Sebelius from decreeing that "no guns" is somehow healthier.
The bill will, according to some studies, triple insurance premiums through taxes and government requirements -- while mandating that Americans purchase expensive government-approved policies.
But, perhaps most instructively, there is this: Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid promised to produce a $900 billion bill which would not add "one dime" to the deficit.
This bill will cost $1.3 trillion and will increase the deficit by AT LEAST $150 billion.
The only way Pelosi or the Congressional Budget Office can continue to pretend to the contrary is to take $247 billion in bill costs and slip them through in separate legislation.
In short, this process is fraudulent.
I have many issues with this legislation. And so I urge you to oppose this legislation and keep the government from inserting itself even more into my everyday life.
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November 4th, 2009, 02:46 PM #2
Re: Anti-gun ObamaCare bill Coming to the House Floor Very Soon
Those of you who voted for this, thinking that the DNC would NEVER try to snatch your guns - are you still harboring illusions about these people? If so, why?
They are gun snatchers. They've been gun snatchers. They've sponsored just about every piece of anti-gun legislation that has ever come out of Washington, DC.
So drop the cognitive dissonance now, before we lose the Second Amendment entirely.These are the exalted gharāniq, whose intercession is hoped for. LMAO
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November 4th, 2009, 10:55 PM #3
Re: Anti-gun ObamaCare bill Coming to the House Floor Very Soon
For starters, There are already employeers who refuse to hire smokers, or anyone who's overweight.. In fact they have fired people who didn't quit smoking or refused to submit to blood tests to test for nicotine.
Current law basically allows employeers to deny employment for owning a gun.
Also, please show me where in this bill that these claims are even remotely true.. Or is it just a worst case tin foil hat wearing viewpoint of someone misunderstanding (admittingly over complex) legal language..
I did a search on some key words that turned up nothing that could back this up.. NO I'm not reading that entire fing shitty thing. I'd lose what little sanity I have left.
So Basically you have someone's blog claiming that since the bill doesn't specifically restrict such information gathering, it must be the first step in someone snatching your guns...
Riiighhhhhtt..
Of course, show me the clause in the bill that specifically forces doctors to record information that would be directly involved in someones ability to purchase a firearm that goes beyond existing laws and I'll change my viewpoint.. I fully admit I haven't read the entire bill.
AS for them being gun snatchers in general.. Pelosi, Reed, etc.. Well DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.. It's not what they want to do that you factor in. It's what they CAN or WILL do..
The way the Democrats have been playing ball lately is really going to end up screwing them next election cycle.. The only reason they haven't totally self destructed is that the GOP isn't doing much better as far as party organization and message..
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November 4th, 2009, 11:52 PM #4Banned
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Re: Anti-gun ObamaCare bill Coming to the House Floor Very Soon
Sorry but I found Gun Owners of America alerts to be the worst POS trash out there on the internet in ages ... they will take a 'fart in the wind' and turn it into 'screaming hellfire' when it doesn't exist.
When I get my news I prefer it "un-polluted" and this piece is as "polluted" as the East River.
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