I gotta say it...

[TwistedCopper]

For all of you who are Ron Paul hopefuls, I am one of you. That said, if in the coming presidential election he does not appear to have a significant chance I will not vote for him.

Why is that you ask?

Ross Perot, that's why. In the '92 election Mr. Perot captured nearly 19% of the vote. Considering Clinton won by a margin that was less than 6% then it is obvious that he cost G.H.W. Bush the election.

We cannot afford that to happen again. Many have said that the republicans will cave on gun issues. Some have said there is no difference anymore, and that they run on a conservative ticket then act like drunken democrats. Okay, fine. Bush has done this. What he hasn't done is taken our guns. Never mind what he said, we haven't seen any gun bans on his watch. In addition, we all know that gun bans are nearly a guarantee under a democrat, especially if they retain the house and senate (likely).

I will vote for Ron Paul if it seems like he can win. I will not allow him to spoil the election like Ross Perot did. I will not allow my vote, which could keep a liberal socialist democrat out of the White House, be wasted in the name of a "protest vote", or to "make a statement", or to "send a message".

I can tell you that unless Ron Paul gets elected, there will be another 4-8 years of turmoil, be it a Dem or a Rep, but at least I know from experience that I will keep my 2nd Amendment right under a republican with a veto stamp.

So there it is, call me what you want, but you all mark my words... if Ron Paul doesn't have the support he needs to get elected, and folks make the mistake of not voting for an electable conservative, then our rights will be infringed. From carry laws to ownership, our 2nd Amendment rights will be infringed and trampled on.

I sincerely hope that when the election nears, he will either have the support he needs. If he doesn't I hope he drops out. I know that is going to piss off a bunch of you but I cant bear the thought of 4-8 years with Hillary and Obama. If they combine with a democratic House and Senate our nation is in grave danger.

I guess I'm not going to be well liked on here anymore, but keep in mind I love my freedom and hold dear the 2nd Amendment.

[XD45]

its not looking good at all, obama and hillary are just getting so much money in, although obama isnt have rising approval ratings, he's still bringing in the cash like no other candidate, this election or in the past.. McCain seems like he wont beable to keep his campaign running for much longer either. I always like Rudy Guilliani, but after looking up his record on guns that quickly changed..

Seems we are SOL this election, This is why I am/have been one of the bush lovers just because its gonna go way downhill after he's gone. I'll just move to canada, oh wait that wont work, i'll move to mexiii, ok thats not gonna work either.. we are screwed!



and who would you sell your guns to? we'd just have to sit there watching them melt them probably while we say a prayer

[MarcS]

That's all circular logic guys:

Ron Paul can't win because no one will vote for him ---> I like Ron Paul but won't vote for him because he can't win ---> Ron Paul can't win because no one will vote for him

See the problem?

As for the other logic for not voting third party, Democrat's tell me that a vote for a third party is a vote for the Republicans. Republican's tell me that a vote for a third party is a vore for the Democrats. I guess since every time i vote for a third party i'm voting for both a democrat and a republican, it cancels out and i'm just voting third party.

A vote for a third party is a vote for a third party. The biggest mistake Republican's and Democrats make is thinking that third party voters are just stubborn democrats or republicans. I don't want to see any of your shitty candidates in office.

[D-FENS]

This attitude is *precisely* the problem.




/I'll write him in.

[TwistedCopper]

That's all circular logic guys:

Ron Paul can't win because no one will vote for him ---> I like Ron Paul but won't vote for him because he can't win ---> Ron Paul can't win because no one will vote for him

See the problem?

As for the other logic for not voting third party, Democrat's tell me that a vote for a third party is a vote for the Republicans. Republican's tell me that a vote for a third party is a vore for the Democrats. I guess since every time i vote for a third party i'm voting for both a democrat and a republican, it cancels out and i'm just voting third party.

A vote for a third party is a vote for a third party. The biggest mistake Republican's and Democrats make is thinking that third party voters are just stubborn democrats or republicans. I don't want to see any of your shitty candidates in office.

Yeah I see the problem. See my first post. Unless Ron Paul gains support he will only succeed in playing a spoiler role for the gun-grabbers. Believe me I will vote for Paul if he is a viable candidate.

[Coustain]

The problem is not as much of whether he would win against a Democrat in the General Election, but whether or not he can win the Primary. When I vote in the Primary, Ron Paul gets mine, general election, its going to be the lesser or two evils, hopefully Ron Paul, but with the way that the Conservative voting base is going, he will never get the nomination. And even if he got the majority of the conservative voters behind him in the primaries, would the National Convention even nominate him?

[MarcS]

The problem is not as much of whether he would win against a Democrat in the General Election, but whether or not he can win the Primary. When I vote in the Primary, Ron Paul gets mine, general election, its going to be the lesser or two evils, hopefully Ron Paul, but with the way that the Conservative voting base is going, he will never get the nomination. And even if he got the majority of the conservative voters behind him in the primaries, would the National Convention even nominate him?

probably not. This is why even if he looses the primary he gets my write-in. I will only vote to save this country, not to continue it's path down the drain. Given a choice between socialists, fascists or a lost cause, i'll take the lost cause every time.

[TwistedCopper]

The problem is not as much of whether he would win against a Democrat in the General Election, but whether or not he can win the Primary. When I vote in the Primary, Ron Paul gets mine, general election, its going to be the lesser or two evils, hopefully Ron Paul, but with the way that the Conservative voting base is going, he will never get the nomination. And even if he got the majority of the conservative voters behind him in the primaries, would the National Convention even nominate him?

Good point. I keep thinking (and obviously so do others) of him as a third party candidate. Perhaps this is why he is running as a republican... to avoid being helpful to the democrats if he were to not win the primary.

i'll take the lost cause every time.

That kind of mentality is exactly what the gun grabbers are hoping for. At least you realize your vote will be wasted.

[MarcS]

That kind of mentality is exactly what the gun grabbers are hoping for. At least you realize your vote will be wasted.

Your kind of mentality is exactly what the fascists are hoping for and is indicative of media brainwashing.

[Broomhandle]

I sooo disagree with this original post.
If anyone other than Ron Paul, or (maybe) Richardson wins, then our votres are wasted!
Right now the bigest batch of traitors, liars and crooks are the Republican party. BTW, most of them fully support gun-control. They left us open for attack on 9/11 and now they are losing two wars, ONE WHICH THEY STARTED FOR NO GOOD REASON! A Republican win, other than Paul, will mean war for the next 20 years with us getting our ass kicked all the way. Add to that all the illegal phone tapping and domestic spying (except around the southern border, of course) and you have the perfect foundation for all the gun confiscation any Facist or Marxist would ever want.
The only thing that matters to most of our elected officials is personal power. If the Republicans lose big then we will be no worse off in terms of our rights, and we will have sent a message that we will not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise. Once the current crop of incumbents go down to defeat then, and only then, will there be any chance that the Republican party will respect our rights, or anything else for that matter.
If you can't elect Ron Paul, then do your best to unelect every Republican on your ballot! It is the only message that counts!