READ FIRST: Where you CAN and CANNOT Carry weapons in the State of Pennsylvania

[tl_3237]

Pa. Patriot or Statkowski,
Can either one of you tell me if it is legal to cc on a septa train.
Say, from bucks county to center city in philly.
Thanks in advance.

Yes if you have LTCF

See thread

[Extinquisher357]

tl 3237 ,
Thank you , I do have my LTCF.

[knight0334]

You only need the LTCF once you get with Philly's city limits. Train's aren't considered "vehicles" because they use rails. The UFA lacks direct definition of a "vehicle", the next title of law most likely to be referred to would be the following.

75 Pa.C.S.A. § 102

"Vehicle." Every device in, upon or by which any person or property is or may be transported or drawn upon a highway, except devices used exclusively upon rails or tracks. The term does not include a self-propelled wheel chair or an electrical mobility device operated by and designed for the exclusive use of a person with a mobility-related disability.

[gnbrotz]

You only need the LTCF once you get with Philly's city limits. Train's aren't considered "vehicles" because they use rails. The UFA lacks direct definition of a "vehicle", the next title of law most likely to be referred to would be the following.

Yes, but if the firearm is concealed, you need the LTCF regardless of whether you're in a "vehicle" or not.

Pa. Patriot or Statkowski,
Can either one of you tell me if it is legal to cc on a septa train.
Say, from bucks county to center city in philly.
Thanks in advance.

[knight0334]

Yes, but if the firearm is concealed, you need the LTCF regardless of whether you're in a "vehicle" or not.

True.. I must have overlooked that part..

[tl_3237]

You only need the LTCF once you get with Philly's city limits. Train's aren't considered "vehicles" because they use rails. The UFA lacks direct definition of a "vehicle", the next title of law most likely to be referred to would be the following.

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Applicable definition of 'vehicle' for UFA:

1 Pa.C.S.A. § 1991. Definitions

The following words and phrases, when used in any statute finally enacted on or after September 1, 1937, unless the context clearly indicates otherwise, shall have the meanings given to them in this section:

"Vehicle." A conveyance in or on which persons or property may be carried.

[LittleRedToyota]

Applicable definition of 'vehicle' for UFA:

i concur. unless someone can point to case laws stating otherwise, i think it would be dangerous to assume a more limited definition of vehicle for UFA purposes.

a train may very well be considered a vehicle for UFA purposes. in fact, by letter of the law, it should be.

[Nickname Tactical]

Is King of Prussia considered to be philly when it comes to open carry? Or anything outside Philadelphia County?

[knight0334]

Is King of Prussia considered to be philly when it comes to open carry? Or anything outside Philadelphia County?

No. King of Prussia is in Montgomery County.

Only the City of Philadelphia proper is considered to be Philly. Philly's city line is the boundary between free Pennsylvania and where a person has no right, only a privilege, to bear arms. The city boundary is also the Philadelphia County line.

[ViperGTS19801]

Does drawing and aiming a firearm at someone constitute a use of deadly force, or does the trigger need to actually be pulled?

I ask because it is unclear whether aiming and getting your aggressor to submit until police arrive is considered "use" of deadly force.