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June 26th, 2008, 01:54 PM #121
Re: READ FIRST: Where you CAN and CANNOT Carry weapons in the State of Pennsylvania
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Originally Posted by LittleRedToyota
however, also notice that subsection (c) says it shall be a defense that the weapon is possessed for a lawful purpose.
legally carrying for self-defense is a lawful purpose.
I would not bet my house and freedom on that defense.
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June 26th, 2008, 08:20 PM #122
Re: READ FIRST: Where you CAN and CANNOT Carry weapons in the State of Pennsylvania
Notice to everyone...
I'm gonna rewrite the info post of mine and refine/simplify things in the next couple days.RIP: SFN, 1861, twoeggsup, Lambo, jamesjo, JayBell, 32 Magnum, Pro2A, mrwildroot, dregan, Frenchy, Fragger, ungawa, Mtn Jack, Grapeshot, R.W.J., PennsyPlinker, Statkowski, Deanimator, roland, aubie515
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June 28th, 2008, 11:41 PM #123
Re: READ FIRST: Where you CAN and CANNOT Carry weapons in the State of Pennsylvania
Good site also!
http://opencarry.org/maps.html
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July 4th, 2008, 12:35 AM #124
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July 5th, 2008, 06:30 AM #125
Re: READ FIRST: Where you CAN and CANNOT Carry weapons in the State of Pennsylvania
"School" is defined as K-12. College is not mentioned in the law, so it's not illegal to carry there. It might violate their policies, but it's not illegal.
As previously mentioned, and will be again in the future, to date no LTCF carrier has ever been cited for carrying a firearm on school grounds. No district attorney wants to take something like that to court. Disorderly conduct, maybe (which would probably get thrown out). If discovered, you will be escorted off the school property most likely.
Of course, concealed means concealed.
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July 5th, 2008, 01:32 PM #126
Re: READ FIRST: Where you CAN and CANNOT Carry weapons in the State of Pennsylvania
As Statkowski mentioned..
I'd like to add also, when it comes to PA's off-limits places, our law doesn't distinguish between open or concealed. ..Just that the carrying of the firearm is prohibited.
For places that have their own private rules about carrying - carrying concealed is highly suggested to avoid any issues.RIP: SFN, 1861, twoeggsup, Lambo, jamesjo, JayBell, 32 Magnum, Pro2A, mrwildroot, dregan, Frenchy, Fragger, ungawa, Mtn Jack, Grapeshot, R.W.J., PennsyPlinker, Statkowski, Deanimator, roland, aubie515
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July 8th, 2008, 11:15 PM #127
Re: READ FIRST: Where you CAN and CANNOT Carry weapons in the State of Pennsylvania
This thread is more confusing than ANY that came before it. Several times our resident cop "Steve in PA" answered many questions from his LEO point of view with an in depth explanation of State Park Carry being only a summonable offense, which is just a fine and not a criminal offense and cant affect your LTCF. He touched on the lawful purpose school defense briefly as well.
People seem to be getting VERY confused in this giant thread....it was WAY better when you just did a search for "school carry" or " state park" carry rather than an incomprehensible promising all inclusive but in reality practically useless 14 page thread.if you ever see my post edited...its most likely for speling :D
"Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges"-In Time of War the Law Falls Silent-Cicero
"Si vis pacem, para bellum"-If you want peace, prepare for war-Flavius Vegetius Renatus
"America Starts Here!"-former PA state Slogan...until NJ complained and our wussy GovRendell changed it!
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July 9th, 2008, 01:57 PM #128
Re: READ FIRST: Where you CAN and CANNOT Carry weapons in the State of Pennsylvania
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Re: READ FIRST: Where you CAN and CANNOT Carry weapons in the State of Pennsylvania
i actually think it is good to read the entire thread as a few of these issues are not actually cut-and-dried as they have never been tested in court...like the "other lawful purposes" defense to carrying in schools.
i agree that it does actually make CCing in schools with an LTCF legal, but several knowledgeable lawyers have opined that they wouldn't want to bet their houses on it in court.
(and, though, it has apparently never been directly tested, someone once posted a letter they got from their state representative quoting a PA judge opining as a side note in a case that CCing with an LTCF does not satisfy the condititon of *other* lawful purpose...basically, that judge interpretted "other lawful purpose" as meaning a "lawful purpose besides just lawfully carrying the gun". BS, imho, but the courts have been known to make BS rulings before)
it is good to know that something like the "other lawful pruposes" defense may not actually be as cut-and-dried in court as it is in the letter of the law. you only get that by reading these types of discussions.
so, imho, it is good to read the entire thread and end up a bit unsure...because, in some cases, you really cannot be sure.
just my 2 cents.
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July 9th, 2008, 02:27 PM #130
Re: READ FIRST: Where you CAN and CANNOT Carry weapons in the State of Pennsylvania
We can say the same about "No Guns" type signs too. People get cited for trespassing on grounds marked "No Trucks" for parking a truck, for making turns from the lands marked "No Turns", for hunting on or using to gain access to other lands for purposes other than fishing on lands marked "Fishing Access Only", etc, just for violating the will of the property owner.
But to give advice on things that are not solid like the school thing without concrete law or caselaw(Supreme Court) - you must side to the more restrictive language of the matter.
So long as there is one 12 person jury or 1 judge so incline, which without a doubt there is - you can and most likely be found guilty of a crime while carrying on school grounds even with a license. Even with case law backing you can still be tried and found guilty of a crime as a challenge to prior rulings. That is why the info in the tips part of this thread is worded as it is.
The wording of PA is not that difficult to understand, the hardest part was finding the laws/regs until lately.
Hell, I'm still discovering "off-limits" places within the PACodes. ...like daycares - yep, theres a regulation about firearms in daycares too. However I'm still researching to see if it only applies as a professional standard(the business and employees) or to all.RIP: SFN, 1861, twoeggsup, Lambo, jamesjo, JayBell, 32 Magnum, Pro2A, mrwildroot, dregan, Frenchy, Fragger, ungawa, Mtn Jack, Grapeshot, R.W.J., PennsyPlinker, Statkowski, Deanimator, roland, aubie515
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