WHY YOU SHOULD CARRY EVEN AT CHURCH (SICK CRIME)

[glockman22]

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National / World News 1:05 p.m. Wednesday, September 9, 2009 Text size:
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WHEATON, Minn. — Aundrea Brownlow's father says he's forgiven the man who came to Thy Kingdom Come World Ministries swinging a baseball bat that landed a fatal blow to the 14-month-old girl's head. Her death marked a tragic end to an argument over a $20 debt and a donated washer and dryer.

Enlarge photo In this undated photo released by the Brownlow family and provided by Thy Kingdom Come World Ministries, 14-month-old Aundrea Brownlow, who died after being struck in the head with a baseball bat swung by a man attacking her father in church in Wheaton, Minn., on Sept. 3, 2009, sits in a pool. Two men are being charged in the attack at the western Minnesota church that leftthe 14-month-old girl dead. Darryl Kennedy and David Collins were arrested last week after the incident inside Thy Kingdom Come Church in Wheaton, Minn. Prosecutors on Tuesday, Sept. 8, 2009 charged Collins with two counts of second-degree murder, two counts of attempted second-degree murder and one count of second-degree assault. Kennedy is being charged with one count of second-degree assault. (AP Photo/Brownlow Family via Thy Kingdom Come World Ministries)

This mug photo provided by the Traverse County Sheriff's Office shows David Collins. Two men are being charged in a baseball bat attack at a western Minnesota church that left a 14-month-old girl dead. Darryl Kennedy and David Collins were arrested last week after the incident inside Thy Kingdom Come Church in Wheaton, Minn. Prosecutors on Tuesday, Sept. 8, 2009 are charged Collins with two counts of second-degree murder, two counts of attempted second-degree murder and one count of second-degree assault. Kennedy is being charged with one count of second-degree assault. (AP Photo/Traverse County Sheriff's Office)

This mug photo provided by the Traverse County Sheriff's Office shows Darryl Kennedy. Two men are being charged in a baseball bat attack at a western Minnesota church that left a 14-month-old girl dead. Darryl Kennedy and David Collins were arrested last week after the incident inside Thy Kingdom Come Church in Wheaton, Minn. Prosecutors on Tuesday, Sept. 8, 2009 are charged Collins with two counts of second-degree murder, two counts of attempted second-degree murder and one count of second-degree assault. Kennedy is being charged with one count of second-degree assault. (AP Photo/Traverse County Sheriff's Office)

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.Still, some residents of Wheaton, a town of about 1,400 near Minnesota's border with the Dakotas, say greater scrutiny of the church and its pastor's criminal history are needed to prevent future confrontations.

David Collins, 50, of Wheaton, is charged with two counts of second-degree murder in Aundrea's death last Thursday. He also faces charges of attempted second-degree murder and second-degree assault against her father, Claude Hankins.

The men had argued earlier over $20 and the washer and dryer given to Hankins by the Rev. Danny Barnes, who started the church nearly five years ago as a welcoming place for people down on their luck.

"I was very angry at first, which I believe is part of the initial shock," Hankins said inside the church where fellow congregants prepared for his daughter's Wednesday funeral. "What happens if you keep that anger in you and you don't forgive somebody, it's going to stop you from having a productive anything."

Mourners were shown a slideshow of the girl accompanied by Christian rock music before her funeral. Hankins and Barnes served as pallbearers.

Darryl Kennedy, 42, of Wheaton, also is charged with second-degree assault in the case. Authorities said Kennedy loaned Collins the baseball bat and later showed up at the church and swung at Hankins with a 4-foot-long 2x4.

Collins and Kennedy, who are in custody, have been granted public defenders but were not immediately assigned attorneys.

Barnes said he planned to "attack the true culprit in this particular incident" in his Wednesday eulogy for Aundrea.

"We believe that it was the spirit of addiction," he said. "It was enhanced by alcohol and drugs."

Hankins said he could "smell the alcohol reeking off" Collins on the day of the attack and Barnes also said Collins appeared to be under the influence. Collins' wife, Melissa, said Tuesday night that her husband had no comment.

Barnes, 53, touts Thy Kingdom Come's yearlong program to help people, especially those battling addiction, clean up their lives. He said there are about 70 registered members, many of whom were referred to the church by shelters, jails, hospitals, treatment programs and other agencies.

Barnes said his own rap sheet includes arrests in at least five states, making him qualified to help others who make mistakes.

"I was the most violent, the most sexually perverse, the most adulterated," Barnes said. "It's my belief I was one of the worst sinners and Jesus Christ saved me from my wretched mind. But this is not a Danny Barnes issue. It's about the parents and the little baby who lost her life."

Barnes declined to elaborate on his crimes. In a case that's still pending, he pleaded not guilty in neighboring Big Stone county in July to kidnapping, burglary, assault and firearms charges. The criminal complaint alleges he and other associates from Wheaton broke into a home in Beardsley in June, assaulted the homeowner, threatened several residents with guns and took one man away against his will — a man they apparently suspected of rape. The complaint says Barnes was ineligible to have a gun because he was convicted last year of assaulting a police officer.

In a 2007 interview with The Forum of Fargo, N.D., Barnes said his criminal past included drug dealing and pimping. The newspaper found public records showing his convictions included a 1989 guilty plea in Colorado for sexually assaulting a child, which drew a three-year sentence, and a one-year sentence in Minnesota in 1981 for possessing cocaine.

Todd Amborn said he was saddened but not surprised to hear about the violence inside the church, where Wheaton police have responded to numerous complaints.

"Right now he's running damage control for the church," said Amborn, who has lived in Wheaton for about 20 years and said many residents want Barnes and his church to leave.

Barnes said he's not going anywhere.

"We believe that there's going to be people in the community and in other denominations who want to find fault or take issue with what took place and take the low road," he said. "But we intend to stay together."

Hankins said the argument started after he called Collins to arrange a time to pick up the washer and dryer, which was being stored on Collins' porch. Hankins said he had been living at the church for most of nine months but recently closed on a house. Collins became angry about the washer and dryer because Hankins owed him $20, Hankins said.

On Thursday, Collins confronted Hankins at a thrift store and the two had to be separated, according to a criminal complaint.

Collins then went to Kennedy's apartment, where Kennedy loaned him a baseball bat, and to the church, where Hankins was attending a prayer service, Police Chief Michael Johannsen wrote in the complaint.

Collins confronted Hankins at the back of the church while Hankins was trying to seat his daughter and began swinging the bat over Hankins' head, Johannsen wrote. One blow hit Aundrea in the head above her right ear, the complaint states.

Collins fled to Kennedy's, where he threw away the bat, and then to Brookings S.D., 100 miles away, where Barnes found him hours later at a bar.

Hankins called Collins' anger out of character: "We're talking about a guy that cooked dinner for the church here that I wouldn't mind sending my daughter to the store with or going by his house to play with the dog."

[glockman22]

I feel for the family of this child i think with a gun or not i would have tried to kill these people one way or another..

[adymond]

Unfortunately a gun would not have assured this poor girl's survival. It may have unfortunately made things worse for her family as one of them may have retaliated after the attack had ended and then been charged as the aggressor.

[max384]

Unfortunately a gun would not have assured this poor girl's survival. It may have unfortunately made things worse for her family as one of them may have retaliated after the attack had ended and then been charged as the aggressor.

... Or it could have prevented her death. A gun never assures anything (as nothing in life is assured), but it can level the playing field when faced against an armed attacker. Using your argument, there is never a good time to carry a gun because if something bad happened, one could retaliate with the gun.

[Story]

Churches are not sanctuaries.

http://www.newsok.com/slaying-detail...rticle/3396862

Police found the mutilated body of the Rev. Carol Daniels in a "crucifix position” behind her church altar last Sunday, The Oklahoman learned from sources close to the investigation. Sources confirmed that Daniels’ bloodied corpse appeared to have been left in the form of a cross with both arms outstretched to the sides.

[rodder]

from the story above^^

totally off topic, but when taken out of context this quote is uh, kinda interesting. lol

It’s highly common to find a nude body lying on the ground with their arms outstretched like a cross. In fact, it happens all the time

[Story]

DETROIT (AP) -- The Rev. Lawrence Adams teaches his flock at the Westside Bible Church to turn the other cheek. Just in case, though, the 54-year-old retired police lieutenant also wears a handgun under his robe.

Adams is one of several Detroit clergymen who have taken to packing heat in the pulpit. They have committed their lives to a man who preached nonviolence and told followers to love their enemies. But they also say it's up to them to protect their parishioners in church.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...TAM&SECTION=US

[rodder]

DETROIT (AP) -- The Rev. Lawrence Adams teaches his flock at the Westside Bible Church to turn the other cheek. Just in case, though, the 54-year-old retired police lieutenant also wears a handgun under his robe.

Adams is one of several Detroit clergymen who have taken to packing heat in the pulpit. They have committed their lives to a man who preached nonviolence and told followers to love their enemies. But they also say it's up to them to protect their parishioners in church.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...TAM&SECTION=US

"It discourages the crazies from acts of violence if they see uniforms around, but I don't want everybody bringing guns," Meredith said. "My ultimate conviction is what does the word of God say and what would Jesus do? Can you in your wildest imagination ever see Jesus packing a .38? I can't imagine Peter and Paul carrying .45s."

How can this man be a pastor and be so ignorant about God's Word? Of course Jesus didn't need to carry a weapon. First of all he could have stopped an attack just by wishing it away, but he already knew how his life was going to end and therefore probably wasn't worried about being killed by a criminal in a robbery or something. As for Peter and Paul carrying .45s? Of course they didn't carry .45s, they weren't invented yet. Instead they carried the most deadly personal defense weapon available at the time; swords. Nowhere does the Bible make any mention of Jesus attempting to disarm the disciples, though it does make it quite clear that they carried swords for self-defense.

[ChamberedRound]

Nowhere does the Bible make any mention of Jesus attempting to disarm the disciples, though it does make it quite clear that they carried swords for self-defense.

Of course, because that makes sense.

There was a time when Christian churches of numerous sects taught that life was a precious gift from God, and to NOT defend that gift in the face of danger, be it one's own life or the life of another, was a sin. Now, many churches teach pacifism above all else, even if it means death.

[Story]

Nowhere does the Bible make any mention of Jesus attempting to disarm the disciples, though it does make it quite clear that they carried swords for self-defense.

Luke 22:36

Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.