RFID implants in health care bill

[archangel689]

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text

The Obama Health care bill under Class II (Paragraph 1, Section B) specifically includes in it's lists of things that must be in registered in the NATIONAL MEDICAL DEVICE REGISTRY: ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable."

Then on page 1004 it describes what the term "data" means in paragraph 1, section B:

14 ‘‘(B) In this paragraph, the term ‘data’ refers to in
15formation respecting a device described in paragraph (1),
16 including claims data, patient survey data, standardized
17 analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of
18 data from disparate data environments, electronic health
19 records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the
20 Secretary"

What exactly is a class II device that is implantable? Lets see...


Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is a "implantable radiofrequency transponder system for patient identification and health information." The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as "claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary."

It looks like they are seeking to register anyone that has the devices... not necessarily push them on everyone...

[JoeWilliams]

Implant chips....

Straight out of Revelation and prophecy. I've been given to laughing at those who call Obama Anti-Christ, but more and more I'm wondering if perhaps the time hasn't come.

[MTechnik]

Jeez.

Expand the quote:

‘(g)(1) The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that--
‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient;

‘(B) is--

‘(i) a class III device;

‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining.

Let's turn to the Wikipedia for medical device classes:

Class II: General Controls with Special Controls

Class II devices are those for which general controls alone are insufficient to assure safety and effectiveness, and additional existing methods are available to provide such assurances. Therefore, Class II devices are also subject to special controls in addition to the general controls of Class I devices. Special controls may include special labeling requirements, mandatory performance standards, and postmarket surveillance.[2] Devices in Class II are held to a higher level of assurance than Class I devices that they will perform as indicated and will not cause injury or harm to patient or user. Devices in this class are typically non-invasive and include x-ray machines, PACS, powered wheelchairs, infusion pumps, surgical drapes, surgical needles and suture material,acupuncture needles.

[edit] Class III: General Controls and Premarket Approval

A Class III device is one for which insufficient information exists to assure safety and effectiveness solely through the general or special controls sufficient for Class I or Class II devices. Such a device needs premarket approval, a scientific review to ensure the device's safety and effectiveness, in addition to the general controls of Class I. Class III devices are described as those for which "insufficient information exists to determine that general controls are sufficient to provide reasonable assurance of its safety and effectiveness or that application of special controls ... would provide such assurance and if, in addition, the device is life-supporting or life-sustaining, or for a use which is of substantial importance in preventing impairment of human health, or if the device presents a potential unreasonable risk of illness or injury."[3]

Examples of Class III devices which require a premarket approval include replacement heart valves, silicone gel-filled breast implants, implanted cerebral stimulators, implantable pacemaker pulse generators and endosseous (intra-bone) implants (with the exception of root-form endosseous dental implants which were recently reclassified as Class II).

So they're going to make a registry of x-ray machines, infusion pumps, titty implants, and pacemakers.

Sure, you REALLY want those things taken care of under recalls. I certainly want to know the infusion pump that's working on me has all manufacturer recalls taken care of.

[MTechnik]

Your edit adds more information. And sure, those chips have been coming around for a while. My dog has one.

And yes, you want a registry of those chips, especially if they degrade.

And as someone who has seen people affected by advanced alzheimers, it would be nice if the cops can just scan grandpa to know who to call to pick him up when he goes for a walk in just his robe and slipper in the winter.

Fear when the make them mandatory.

[PennsyPlinker]

Implant chips....

Straight out of Revelation and prophecy. I've been given to laughing at those who call Obama Anti-Christ, but more and more I'm wondering if perhaps the time hasn't come.

And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name. Revelation 13:16-17

People will laugh, call this stuff fairy tales, and poke fun at us, but it sure sounds like the apostle John had an idea of RFID chips almost 2000 years ago, and expressed it in terms familiar to him.

I do not name Obama the Antichrist, and I do not say that his nefarious plan with these things is the fulfillment of the above prophecy. But as Joe has mentioned, I only observe that RFID technology certainly has the capability to be used in this manner. We already have people in this thread saying how convenient it would be to have all our info on a chip implanted in our body. And yes, it would be convenient - until the wrong people decide how they want to use it.

Just think how the state could control you if all that was known about you - credit history, criminal record, health history, licenses, bank balance, etc, was all put on that little chip. Anyone who scoffs at the idea is foolish. Regardless of what you think about the Bible and its prophecies, you can see this coming as a bad thing. Wait till they put GPS on one so they know where you are all the time. Think the government would like that capability? You bet they would. How would you run from them then?

[MTechnik]

Wait till they put GPS on one so they know where you are all the time. Think the government would like that capability? You bet they would. How would you run from them then?

Your cell phone already can be used to track you. Even when you're not making a call.

[NikeBauer21]

Your cell phone already can be used to track you. Even when you're not making a call.

As long as it's turned on... it's much easier to establish a link when you're making a call, but as long as that shiznit is on, you can be traced.

[PennsyPlinker]

Your cell phone already can be used to track you. Even when you're not making a call.

I know that. My truck also has a GPS built into it so the On Star people can tell exactly where I am. So what is your point? I am only pointing out that the technology now exists. Following my particular eschatology, it is not likely I will be here for the implementation I described above.

ETA: Owning a phone or a truck that has the technology is a far cry from letting one stick one inside my body. I can always opt to toss the phone or buy a horse. Hacking something out of my flesh isn't an idea I exactly relish.

[NikeBauer21]

I know that. My truck also has a GPS built into it so the On Star people can tell exactly where I am. So what is your point? I am only pointing out that the technology now exists. Following my particular eschatology, it is not likely I will be here for the implementation I described above.

ETA: Owning a phone or a truck that has the technology is a far cry from letting one stick one inside my body. I can always opt to toss the phone or buy a horse. Hacking something out of my flesh isn't an idea I exactly relish.

Word. Never will I allow such acts of terrorism go on within my body. They can take it and shove it.

[Strapped]

Your cell phone already can be used to track you. Even when you're not making a call.

My cell phone isnt implanted in my body...