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August 23rd, 2009, 10:07 PM #1
Open Carry - Was It Ever Illegal in PA?
So, I wrote the following statement in the 'I Saw A Man With A Gun!' handout...
http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-ope...it-8-24-a.html
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"The act of openly carrying a firearm is legal… and has been since our independence!"
And I believe that's true (or I wouldn't have written it).....
I also know you can't carry openly everywhere (such as court facilities), but other than the currently specified no-go places/times...
Does anyone know if there ever was (in the past) any law in PA that made open carry, in public, in general, unlawful?
... Stay Safe ...
IDLast edited by ImminentDanger; August 25th, 2009 at 11:37 AM.
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August 23rd, 2009, 10:12 PM #2
Re: Open Carry - Ever Illegal in PA?
laws only make conduct illegal
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August 23rd, 2009, 10:52 PM #3
Re: Open Carry - Ever Illegal in PA?
not that I can recall.
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August 24th, 2009, 09:53 AM #4Grand Member
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Re: Open Carry - Ever Illegal in PA?
A LTCF is needed during declared emergencies. Not sure when that was enacted though.
The natural order of things is for open carry. You are not hiding the possible deadly threat that you might be. If people don't know you, they can avoid you or at least avoid 'disturbing' you in anyway!
And we need to change vehicle carry laws and exceptions clauses about where or under what circumstances you can even have an unloaded firearm in a vehicle etc.It is you. You have all the weapons that you need. Now fight. --Sucker Punch
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August 24th, 2009, 09:35 PM #5
Re: Open Carry - Ever Illegal in PA?
Illegal everywhere in cities of the "first class" (Philly) without a LTCF
Last edited by -JD-; August 24th, 2009 at 09:36 PM. Reason: Clarification
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August 24th, 2009, 09:37 PM #6
Re: Open Carry - Ever Illegal in PA?
prob a dumb question, but what make a city "first class"? is it the size? how many live there?
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August 24th, 2009, 10:01 PM #7Senior Member
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Re: Open Carry - Ever Illegal in PA?
One of the reasons OC is illegal in other states, especially southern ones, is racism.
When they no long could have laws that specifically banned minorities from owning firearms they found other ways to effectively do the same thing. What better way than to require permits to purchase or carry. NC for example requires a pistol permit to purchase a pistol issued by a sheriff. A lot of these laws passed during the 50-60's amid protests and riots of that era. Both relating to the civil rights movement and then later the war.
Even NYC's own law reportedly passed because of anti-immigrant sentiment.
There are tons of examples of laws that passed because of racism or such. One mans 'saturday night special' is another mans 'affordable firearm'.
Fortunately, PA doesn't have seem to have any laws that passed like this, at least on a state wide basis.
-Alex
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August 25th, 2009, 10:31 PM #8
Re: Open Carry - Was It Ever Illegal in PA?
Since this is true......
"The act of openly carrying a firearm is legal… and has been since our independence!"
WHEN/WHERE/HOW DID THE MYTH THAT OC _IS_ ILLEGAL START???
Does anyone have any kind of evidence of when/where/how???
Like newspaper stories or editorials or legislative comments regarding gun laws where someone began claiming it was illegal????
Or was it a matter of the laws/statutes in another state being confused (perhaps purposely) as applicable to Pennsylvania? Like, New Yorkers or DCers or Baltimoreans began to claim their limitation there actually was true here too??
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IDLast edited by ImminentDanger; August 25th, 2009 at 10:35 PM.
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August 25th, 2009, 11:56 PM #9
Re: Open Carry - Was It Ever Illegal in PA?
If I had to guess, it's because of misinformation that has grown to be considered "fact".
Such as:
"You need a permit to carry a gun."
"My uncle gave me a hunting rifle but it's not registered!"
"It's illegal to have hollow point bullets."
"You can't carry in bars or churches."
"The gun just went off."
All completely wrong, yet believed by many, many, many people. Including gun owners.I called to check my ZIP CODE!....DY-NO-MITE!!!
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August 26th, 2009, 02:04 AM #10
Re: Open Carry - Was It Ever Illegal in PA?
My money is on any of these three: "transplants" (immigrants) from other States (such as New York) and/or the "media" (as in: the New York Times has a pretty high circulation in Pennsylvania) and/or "emulation" ("Well, that's how they do it over in NYC and... that means it's, like, 'nationwide', right?")
.Cogito, ergo armatus sum....Say that to my face.
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