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    Default told not to carry in lyco mh/mr

    so here is the situation. i have an appointment at the lycoming county mh/mr williamsport office next week. and their office called me to remind me of my app. and the guy who call happens to be a friend of a friend of mine, and knows i carry. so over the phone he tells me that i am not allowed to carry in their building because they also have a children and youth office. so what do i do? i'm thinking just go cc and don't worry about it. or would this also be a private property issue?
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    Default Re: told not to carry in lyco mh/mr

    Quote Originally Posted by o1dakota440 View Post
    so here is the situation. i have an appointment at the lycoming county mh/mr williamsport office next week. and their office called me to remind me of my app. and the guy who call happens to be a friend of a friend of mine, and knows i carry. so over the phone he tells me that i am not allowed to carry in their building because they also have a children and youth office. so what do i do? i'm thinking just go cc and don't worry about it. or would this also be a private property issue?
    Who owns it?

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    Default Re: told not to carry in lyco mh/mr

    i'm not sure who owns it. how would i go about finding out the owner of the building?
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    Default Re: told not to carry in lyco mh/mr

    Quote Originally Posted by o1dakota440 View Post
    i'm not sure who owns it. how would i go about finding out the owner of the building?
    If it's a county office, preemption should apply whether the county owns or rents the building. You should ask for a citation of the law that prohibit carry in such a facility. If it's some kind of child/youth court facility, then they are require to provide a storage facility per §913.

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    Default Re: told not to carry in lyco mh/mr

    Quote Originally Posted by o1dakota440 View Post
    i'm not sure who owns it. how would i go about finding out the owner of the building?
    Call the county tax office. Give them the address and ask who pays the property tax on the property. Such information is public record.

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    Default Re: told not to carry in lyco mh/mr

    It's a county facility, so preemption applies. Then again, considering the environment, so does common sense. If you're going to carry, carry concealed, and tell no one, not even your friend.

    Such a facility deals with people with problems, and you certainly don't want to add to the environmental stress level.

    In my job I routinely deal with such people, and you really, really don't want a bad situation getting worse.

    If possible, lock it in your car - that's what they invented car safes and cable locks for.

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    Default Re: told not to carry in lyco mh/mr

    What is the address? Is it on Pine St,. in Executive Plaza? That is County property and has no Court Facility within that building.

    Be safe (and stay out of Court, if you can).

    Scott

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    Default Re: told not to carry in lyco mh/mr

    it is at 200 east street. just on the far side of the basin st plaza
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    Default Re: told not to carry in lyco mh/mr

    Quote Originally Posted by o1dakota440 View Post
    it is at 200 east street. just on the far side of the basin st plaza
    10-4, behind the starbucks. Interesting twist, I believe that is private property, the County must be a tenant in the building. I am not certain whether they can dictate your carrying or not. Probably best to do so in a discreet fashion.

    Please post again after you go and let us know how it unfolded.

    Be safe (and don't let them know you are gun crazy ).

    Scott

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    Default Re: told not to carry in lyco mh/mr

    Whether the county owns the building or is just leasing it (or part of it), preemption applies. As such, they cannot legally prohibit firearms.

    However, as they taught you in driving school, you can be right - dead right (with emphasis on "dead").

    Go into such a mental health/mental retardation facility carrying (or at least they know you're carrying) and you'll be arrested and at least cited for inducing a panic. You may be legally right, but you'll still lose the very expensive battle.

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