Allegheny County homosexual special rights Ordinance 4201-08

[aviva1964]

Non-discrimination does not equal "special rights". Transgendered or transexual citizens are not GAYS. Sexual identity and sexual preference are entirely different things, and while I normally wouldn't go soap-box on this site, I feel like I have no choice.

The transgendered are some of the most misunderstood citizens in our country. And if you think that the transgendered are making a choice, I suggest you look up suicide statistics, personal assault statistics, and public health statistics. This is a group of people who have been dealt, for lack of better words, a way more complex and confusing genetic deck of cards than the rest of us. And you know what? They are still citizens, with the same rights confered on you and me.

I've enjoyed this site, and I'm going to go out on a limb and "out" myself, because as a woman, a jew, and a lesbian, I've never seen the sort of hate or ignorance attributed to the gun community that many in my other social networks attribute to gun owners. My gay friends, jewish friends, and democratic uber-liberal vegetarian friends are always shocked when I talk about how much I enjoy the shooting community, because they make assumptions about the politics of the typical gun enthusiast.

So far on this forum, this is the first posting I've seen that has been openly hostile to any subgroup of Americans, and I'm going to continue to have faith, as I've already made several good shooting friends who perceive shooting sports as something we all can enjoy, and I have NEVER heard a word about my religious or sexual preference.

You sir, have changed that. Please actually READ the statute - no one's telling you that you have to go out and hire gays or put a "tranny's welcome" sign in your store. What it's telling you, is that when someone has gone through or is in the process of going through sexual re-assignment surgery, A MEDICAL PROCEDURE, they should be legally treated as their target gender. Where exactly would you have the transgendered pee? Would a M-T-F (that's male to female ... ) transexual, wearing a dress, be welcome in a men's room? It's also telling you that sexual preference and gender identity ALONE can't be a factor in hiring decisions any more than being black, owning a gun, or driving a subaru should.

I believe it's the 14th amendment (due process and equal protection) that prevents a majority on deciding how a minority should live. Unless you want YOUR rights voted on, please show a little bit more sensitivity, especially on a board that's supposed to be dedicated to gun related issues.

[unloved]

The OP sounds like plain old homophobic hysteria to me.

[imperialism2024]

I would LOVE to see ANYONE propose an ordinance , rule , policy , or bill granting special privledges and exceptions for white people ! NOT because Im racist . But in order to highlight the stupidity of all this nonsense . Switch ( black , gay , brown , whatever ) with " white " and there are sure to be howls of indignant outrage . Which only serves to highlight their idiocy

And I would LOVE to see ANYONE find examples of white non-LGBT people being brutally tortured and murdered in their homeland due to their skin color or gender orientation.

Just sayin'

[Elmar]

Well if I have to disagree witht he law if its saying one cannot discriminate in hiring. Freedom of association allows one to discriminate in any walk of life a person wants.

People are free to be assholes if they want to be, you are free to not patronize the asshole as well.

Tends to work out, it also allows such assholes to be known to the public rather than hide their prejudices because law forces them to.

[son of the revolution]

And I would LOVE to see ANYONE find examples of white non-LGBT people being brutally tortured and murdered in their homeland due to their skin color or gender orientation.

Just sayin'

Uhhh , what exactly does something happening to anyone in another Country (" their homeland" ) have to do with laws HERE ???

[eXceLon]

Personally I have to draw the line on this letting men into the women's locker rooms and bathrooms thing.

There isn't really a good solution here. A lot of transgender people are visually indistinguishable from their desired gender.

Would you feel any more comfortable with someone who looked like a man and was sexually attracted to women entering the women's restroom, just because they happen to have been born a woman?

[Elmar]

I'll go naked and not care who is around.

[thelemite]

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Gays and transgenders not being discriminated against. The horror! Next thing we will be giving them the vote or something.
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Meta tags included for those retarded or homophobic enough to think I mean it.

[unloved]

And I would LOVE to see ANYONE find examples of white non-LGBT people being brutally tortured and murdered in their homeland due to their skin color or gender orientation.

Just sayin'

Well, it was a long time ago, and it wasn't due to their skin color or gender orientation, but it was about the public perception of their (our) culture. Also the largest mass lynching in U.S. history. http://www.niaf.org/milestones/year_1891.asp

Just sayin'

[unloved]

I'll go naked and not care who is around.

Please don't. Please.