PA trespassing laws

[mojollnir]

WOW, banned in three, someone finally beat my old record, congrats,

How many times has the truth gotten someone banned???

[turtle]

Young man,

Is your question aimed at understanding what is the right thing to do?

Or is your question aimed at figuring out what you can get away with?

Seems to me that it's folks who just want to figure out what they can get away with give hunters a bad reputation...and more broadly are bringing this country down.

suggest you consider what your goal is.

[DavidTM]

WOW, banned in three, someone finally beat my old record, congrats,

How many times has the truth gotten someone banned???

Well, IMHO we (a collective "we") were attempting to tell the OP that with land ownership comes responsibilities. If you own land in rural areas that are "normally" considered area's that have been and are hunted, if you don't post those lands with no hunting or no trespassing signs, then you can probably expect to have someone hunting on those lands.

And under current Pa. Law that's not trespassing. Why? Because the landowner did not "do his part" and post his land.

So, what the OP did was ask a question about his land....then didn't get the answer he wanted, then he flew off the handle and essentially "threatened" and essentially "challenged" anyone who he found to be on his precious land he would "kick their ass" or possibly even worse.

Well, that's all very nice....but he would be so far in the wrong it's laughable.

If he owns the land and doesn't want anyone on it, then just post it. If he can't handle "all of that pressure" then just sell the land. I mean....life is too short for all of that negativity.

Dave

[MakoXT]

Thanks for your comments.

[DavidTM]

The truth of the matter is, if you're on MY homestead with a weapon, with the intention of discharging that weapon for any reason, odds are that if I see you ( And I will!), you will DEFINITELY not be the individual that ends up discharging a weapon first.

Feel better? Your last statement is, well....let's call it less than intelligent. You can call the police and have 'em arrested for trespassing, or should these individuals in some manner present a threat to you of life or property, you can react with deadly force.....but the evidence needs to back up your story.

And if it doesn't, be prepared to spend a boat load of money, perhaps remortgage your piece of dirt, in order too defend yourself against possible criminal charges and\or civil charges for your thoughless discharge of a firearm.

Your not King. Your just the owner of a piece of dirt.

Dave

[littlebluevette]

The truth of the matter is, if you're on MY homestead with a weapon, with the intention of discharging that weapon for any reason, odds are that if I see you ( And I will!), you will DEFINITELY not be the individual that ends up discharging a weapon first.[/QUOTE]

[DavidTM]

Here cometh the kings of dirt.

[GunLawyer001]

Someone who neither hunts on other's property, nor owns large tracts of land, might (in a disinterested sort of way) see parallels between the urban entitlement mentality and the rural "we been huntin' that ridge for 3 generations" mindset.

In both cases, you have a group that demands a benefit for which it pays nothing. You have urbanites who see "wealth" being hogged by the few, and they want the govt to go in and take it and spread it around.

And then you have the rural hunters, who care less about who pays the taxes, who clears the debris, who's liable if someone breaks a leg in a sinkhole, because all they care about is "we want to hunt there and you're in the way of what we want."

We seem to have too many entitlements, and not enough people willing to trade for what they want. I don't hear the urbanites offering to clean the streets or serve as school crossing guards or even turn in the local muggers, in exchange for society giving them free money and food and medical care and housing and heat and cell phones and Internet access. And I have not heard of rural locals shoveling out the access roads or removing fallen trees or kicking in for maintenance of the land that they want the free use of.

Not really much difference between the entitled urban and rural folks after all, is there?

[knight0334]

Someone who neither hunts on other's property, nor owns large tracts of land, might (in a disinterested sort of way) see parallels between the urban entitlement mentality and the rural "we been huntin' that ridge for 3 generations" mindset.

In both cases, you have a group that demands a benefit for which it pays nothing. You have urbanites who see "wealth" being hogged by the few, and they want the govt to go in and take it and spread it around.

And then you have the rural hunters, who care less about who pays the taxes, who clears the debris, who's liable if someone breaks a leg in a sinkhole, because all they care about is "we want to hunt there and you're in the way of what we want."

We seem to have too many entitlements, and not enough people willing to trade for what they want. I don't hear the urbanites offering to clean the streets or serve as school crossing guards or even turn in the local muggers, in exchange for society giving them free money and food and medical care and housing and heat and cell phones and Internet access. And I have not heard of rural locals shoveling out the access roads or removing fallen trees or kicking in for maintenance of the land that they want the free use of.

Not really much difference between the entitled urban and rural folks after all, is there?

There is case law that states that rural unposted properties are open to sporting activities.

However, under present PA law - posting your land will cause the landowner to lose civil liability protections.

[DavidTM]

Not really much difference between the entitled urban and rural folks after all, is there?

No. I take exception to this statement and your analogy. Especially from someone who knows the laws concerning trespassing and the historical roots of why they are what they are.

Typically, hunters know who own the land and will ask for permission to hunt it. Of course, there are always exceptions to this.

OTOH, should you purchase land in a rural setting you should know, or should find out that you do have responsibilities that come with the land. Yes, the burden of land ownership. I've said it before...if you can't handle the burden....sell the land and buy a CD at the bank.

Should a hunter "stray" onto your unposted land, simply ask him to leave. I've done this "stray" part before. I've been met by angry landowners, and pleasant landowners. Both of which have ask me to leave. I've ask both for corrections of my course as there were no obvious boundaries, and once I was given them, I was off. It didn't matter to me if the landowner was red faced or pleasant. I treat both with respect, and calmly. I don't get worked up over dirt.

Lots of places to hunt fellows. If a guy doesn't want you there, then just go where you are welcome. It takes some work, but you will find those places.

But, a land owner has responsibilities. That's the law. If you don't like it....lobby for change. Until then, ask the trespasser to leave. If he doesn't, then he's subject to criminal trespass. Seems simple enough to me.

Dave