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    Default M16 fire control group

    hello all,
    I've got a question. I've found an M16 fire control group online from a reputible website. I went through the ordering forms and at the last second I backed out. I'm affraid that if I ordered it I'd be in trouble. I am a legal citizen with a CCW nothing else. so I guess my question is..... can i order this ??? or will the men in black come knockin if I do. I live in PA
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    Default Re: M16 fire control group

    If you own or plan to own an AR-15, I would not have an M16 FCG in the house. One could claim constructive intent. If however, you do own a registered M16, buy away.

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    Default Re: M16 fire control group

    I figured that much i can move it, but there's nothing illegal about buying the FCG and shipping it here correct?
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    Default Re: M16 fire control group

    Quote Originally Posted by Fineglock9 View Post
    I figured that much i can move it, but there's nothing illegal about buying the FCG and shipping it here correct?
    I can not in good conscience advise you to purchase an M16 FCG if you do not own a properly registered M16. It is a bad idea and if anyone does check on your purchase, you will get in trouble.

    Most places that sell M16 parts require you provide them a copy of your form 4 before they’ll sell you the parts.

    What possible legal reason could you have for owning M16 parts without a registered M16?

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    I hear ya, damn. means I gotta wait for the next gun show?

    that why I was concerned to begin with, they never asked for a form 4, or any proof
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    wait, I was told that bushmaster or colt ( can't remember) doesn't even make an AR-15 bolt anymore, cause it's cheaper to make the m16 bolt ( less milling.) Buy purchasing a new gun from them with the M16 bolt inplace is that constructive intent?
    I march before the martyred world, An army for the fight. I speak of great of heroic days of victory and might. I hold a banner drenched in Blood, I urge you to be brave...I lead you to your destiny, I lead you to your Grave. Your bones will build my palaces, Your eyes will stud my crown...FOR I AM MARS THE GOD OF WAR, AND I WILL CUT YOU DOWN.

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    Default Re: M16 fire control group

    Unlike most other platforms, substituting even *some* FA FCG parts into an AR-15 can cause doubling. ATF has said that due to this phenomenon it may consider the possession of FA FCG parts + a non NFA AR-15 as constructive possession.

    My advice:
    Don't even think of buying/owning FA FCG parts if you have or intend on someday having an regular old Title-1 (non NFA) AR-15

    Additionally, even folks who own an NFA registered full auto M16/AR-15 are being advised to not have spare FA FCG parts is they *also* own a title-1 AR.

    See below:
    DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
    BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND FIREARMS
    WASHINGTON, DC 20226

    MAR 25 1999 903050:CHB
    3311


    Dear Mr. :

    This refers to your letter in which you asked about possession of
    spare M-16 machinegun parts by a person who possesses a registered
    M-16 and a semiautomatic AR-15 rifle.

    Any weapon which shoots automatically more than one shot, without
    manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger meets the
    definition of a machinegun in section 5845(b) of the National
    Firearms Act (NFA). An AR-15 rifle, which is assembled with
    certain M-16 machinegun fire control components, and which is
    capable of shooting automatically is a machinegun as defined.

    The definition of machinegun in section 5845(b) also includes any
    combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if
    such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.
    Thus, an AR-15 rifle possessed with separate M-16 machinegun
    components can meet the definition of a machinegun, if the rifle
    shoots automatically when the components are installed.

    The fact that a person lawfully possesses a registered NFA firearm
    does not grant authorization to possess additional non-registered
    firearms. A person who possesses a registered M-16 machinegun and
    a semiautomatic AR-15 rifle and a separate quantity of M-16
    machinegun components could be in possession of two machineguns.

    - 2 -

    Mr.

    We would advise any person who possesses an AR-15 rifle not to
    possess M-16 fire control component. If a person possessed only
    the M-16 machinegun and spare M-16 fire control components for that
    machinegun, the person would possess only one machinegun.

    We trust that the foregoing has been responsive to your inquiry.
    If you have further questions concerning this matter, please
    contact us.

    Sincerely yours,


    Edward M. Owen, Jr.
    Chief, Firearms Technology Branch
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    Default Re: M16 fire control group

    Quote Originally Posted by Fineglock9 View Post
    wait, I was told that bushmaster or colt ( can't remember) doesn't even make an AR-15 bolt anymore, cause it's cheaper to make the m16 bolt ( less milling.) Buy purchasing a new gun from them with the M16 bolt inplace is that constructive intent?
    The bolt is not considered part of the FCG. The ATF has sent a letter stating that an M16 bolt is OK in an AR-15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo View Post
    The bolt is not considered part of the FCG. The ATF has sent a letter stating that an M16 bolt is OK in an AR-15.

    See attached
    yes I know the bolt is not part of the FCG.

    Pa. Patriot......Thank you for your insight.

    So basically, since I own multiple AR-15's, I cannot own a FCG, however I can own a m16 bolt according to MOJO? and even if I had a registered M16 i cannot have spare parts because I also own AR-15's.

    Can I build a m16 and register it as such? Can I build a Short barreled M16?
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    Default Re: M16 fire control group

    Quote Originally Posted by Fineglock9 View Post
    wait, I was told that bushmaster or colt ( can't remember) doesn't even make an AR-15 bolt anymore, cause it's cheaper to make the m16 bolt ( less milling.) Buy purchasing a new gun from them with the M16 bolt inplace is that constructive intent?
    Bolt carrier only (no FCG parts) appears to be OK (...this week) ATF has changed their position on this issue several times.

    The latest indicates it is OK.


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