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    Default Importing ammunition/firearms.

    What is the process to import a firearm from outside the US?

    What's the process to import ammo? I'm talking 1000's of rounds. (I'm on a mission to find 7.62x39 )

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    Default Re: Importing ammunition/firearms.

    Either get the the appropriate license from the ATF, or find a company that has one.

    Then, the firearm has to be a sporting type firearm to be legal.

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    Default Re: Importing ammunition/firearms.

    So to import large amounts of ammunition, I'd need a license.
    To import a sporting rifle I'd still need a license?

    Which license would I need?

    Just wondering. I'm going to try to find some shooting friends here in Japan. They exist but it might be tough to get into... not to mention the language barrier. I figured it might be a fun challenge to try to become eligible to buy a firearm here :P The ammo question is a bit more realistic.

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    Default Re: Importing ammunition/firearms.

    ATF Form 6. I brought loads of firearms back from Germany. No license. Just that form. I shipped them with my household goods.

    Ray

    Quote Originally Posted by mchaley View Post
    So to import large amounts of ammunition, I'd need a license.
    To import a sporting rifle I'd still need a license?

    Which license would I need?

    Just wondering. I'm going to try to find some shooting friends here in Japan. They exist but it might be tough to get into... not to mention the language barrier. I figured it might be a fun challenge to try to become eligible to buy a firearm here :P The ammo question is a bit more realistic.

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    Default Re: Importing ammunition/firearms.

    What if it was determined to be a curio or relic? I have been wanting on of those swiss rimfire mini revolvers for some time, and i bet it could be considered a curio.

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    Default Re: Importing ammunition/firearms.

    Quote Originally Posted by mchaley View Post
    So to import large amounts of ammunition, I'd need a license.
    To import a sporting rifle I'd still need a license?

    Which license would I need?

    Just wondering. I'm going to try to find some shooting friends here in Japan. They exist but it might be tough to get into... not to mention the language barrier. I figured it might be a fun challenge to try to become eligible to buy a firearm here :P The ammo question is a bit more realistic.
    Well, that makes things different.. Since they would be personal possessions.

    ATF Form 6 like d4xycrq mentioned.

    If you're doing it as a business, there is a different procedure. But certain things still cant be imported.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azzy View Post
    What if it was determined to be a curio or relic? I have been wanting on of those swiss rimfire mini revolvers for some time, and i bet it could be considered a curio.
    The GCA of '68 completely forbids the importation of small firearms like that. In fact, even pocket pistols the size of Kel-tecs, Beretta Tomcat/Bobcat, Taurus knockoff's, etc do not qualify on the point system to be imported.

    Any imported handgun has to have a certain barrel length or more, weigh a certain amount, have certain safety features, etc..



    II. Firearms Laws
    G. Federal Firearms Laws
    6. The Points Systems of GCA '68
    by Larry Cipriani (lvc@lucent.com)

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    Factoring Criteria for Weapons

    Note: The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms reserves the right
    to preclude importation of any revolver or pistol which achieves an
    apparent qualifying score but does not adhere to the provisions of
    section 925(d)(3) of Amended Chapter 44, Title 18, USC.

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    PISTOL

    Prerequisites

    1. The pistol must have a positive manually operated safety device.
    2. The combined length and height must not be less than 10" with
    the neight (right angle measurement to barrel without magazine
    or extension) being at least 4" and the length being at least 6".

    Individual Characteristics Point value

    Overall Length
    For each 1/4" over 6" 1 pt

    Frame Construction
    Investment case or forged steel 15
    Investment case or forged HTS alloy 20

    Weapon Weight w/Magazine (unloaded)
    Per ounce 1

    Caliber
    .22 short and .25 auto 0
    .22 LR and 7.65mm to .380 auto 3
    9mm parabellum and over 10

    Safety Features
    Locked breech mechanism 5
    Loaded Chamber Indicator 5
    Grip Safety 3
    Magazine Safety 5
    Firing Pin Block or Lock 10

    Miscellaneous Equipment
    External Hammer 2
    Double Action 10
    Drift Adjustable Target Sight 5
    Click Adjustable Target Sight 10
    Target Grips 5
    Target Trigger 2

    Qualifying score is 75 points

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    Revolver

    Prerequisites

    1. Must pass safety test.
    2. Must have overall frame (with conventional grips) length (not diagonal)
    of 4 1/2" minimum.
    3. Must have a barrel length of at least 3"

    Individual Characteristics

    Barrel Length (Muzzle to Cylinder Face)
    Less than 4" 0
    For each 1/4" over 4" 1/2

    Frame Construction
    Investment Cast or Forged Steel 15
    Investment Cast or Forged HTS Alloy 20

    Weapon Weight (Unloaded)
    Per ounce 1

    Caliber
    .22 short to .25 acp 0
    .22 LR and .30 to .38 S&W 3
    .38 Special 4
    .357 mag and over 5

    Miscellaneous Equipment
    Adjustable Target Sights 5
    (drift or click)

    Target Grips 5
    Target Hammer and Target Trigger 5

    Safety Test

    A Double Action Revolver must have a safety feature which automatically
    (or in a Single Action Revolver by manual operation) causes the hammer to
    retract to a point where the firing pin does not rest upon the primer of
    the cartridge. The safety device must withstand the impact of a weight
    equal to the weight of the revolver dropping from a distance of 36" in a
    line parallel to the barrel upon the rear of the hammer supr, a total of
    5 times.

    Qualifying score is 45 points.

    ATF FORM 4590 (7570.5) (10-77) Edition of 5/74 may be used
    --
    Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com


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    Default Re: Importing ammunition/firearms.

    Hi,

    I'm from Noxen, PA. But for the past few years I've been living/working in China. I recently visited a firearms factory in Northeast China which makes and exports gorgeous double-barrel shotguns (among other things). They come in standard gauges - 12, 16, 20, and 410 and barrel lengths from 20" - 28".
    This manufacturer has an export to USA license, but obviously must be shipped to someone with a valid FFL.
    Is anyone interested in helping me with this? We can discuss in more detail.

    Thanks,

    ~Jonathan

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    A buddy of mine recently wrote a letter to the NRA suggesting that the NRA buy an ammo manufacture or create one and sell ammo to only NRA members.
    This would increase NRA membership and be profitable.

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