3 new PA gun laws, MAYBE

[Pyrotek85]

I'm no gun activist, but I don't understand how stricter gun laws or outlawing assault weapons will help anything. Several days ago some lunatic in Fredrick, MD killed his wife, three children, and himself. Md has pretty extreme gun laws, but this guy was able to get his hands on one. And, it wasn't a "deadly" assault weapon, it was a 25 cal handgun. So, it seems to me that the people who shouldn't have guns will get them anyway and do whatever it is they are going to do and us lawbiding citizens will be the unarmed, unprotected individuals who are preyed upon.

What I can't understand is why they apparently think the father would change his mind about killing his family if a gun wasn't available to him. He could just as easily have stabbed or beaten them to death. He may have even sought a gun after he made the decision to kill them, so what influence did it have? I'm appalled that so many are incapable of rational thinking.

[ReconLdr]

"At the news conference, 12 illegal firearms seized during police raids during the last year lay on a table behind the speakers. Ross held up one - a three-foot-long SKS semiautomatic rifle - to illustrate the need for tighter rules.

"There is no reason for anybody in the world to be carrying that around," he said."


How about becuause I want to... I will accept his interpretation of what kinds of guns I own when he lets me tell him what kind of car to drive, where to shop etc... I am gonna guess he will be less than enthusiastic when I tell him he has to give up his lexus and drive a more sensible, economical environmentally friendly Toyota Prius Hybrid... I know its not fun but its for the greater good and the future of our society....

[GunLawyer001]

"At the news conference, 12 illegal firearms seized during police raids during the last year lay on a table behind the speakers. Ross held up one - a three-foot-long SKS semiautomatic rifle - to illustrate the need for tighter rules.

"There is no reason for anybody in the world to be carrying that around," he said."
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That argument is very popular among the people who keep telling us that they only want to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally disturbed. Well, "anybody" seems to include a somewhat broader category than that (even with the implicit premise that "these guns are evil weapons of mass murderous indiscriminate slaughter that nobody except our civil police have a legitimate need for", so it's really "anybody except cops".)

A madman can't be trusted with an SKS, a Remington 870, a single shot Derringer, a baseball bat, a pointy stick, or the freedom to walk among our children and wives. At what point does our government stop restricting our freedoms down to the level at which an insane or incompetent person couldn't abuse them? Do you want to be limited to driving at the slow speed at which a senile half-blind non-English speaking drunk would be safe? Do you want the tool selection at the Home Depot to be restricted to licensed building contractors, at least for any tool which would cause harm if misused (and what tool wouldn't cause harm if misused? Ever see someone drill blind into a wall that contains electrical wiring?)

If we allow the government to second-guess all of our decisions, there won't be any end to it. They've already decided that we don't need working toilets as much as we need to save water, that we need to conserve electricity more than we need to have light bulbs that won't spill mercury if they break. Why does anybody NEED to have more than 2 children, a plasma TV, high speed Internet access, fast food, cosmetic surgery, a choice of doctors, pets of any type, vacation travel, Viagra, online games, lotteries, alcohol, desserts, more than 2 outfits (Sunday best and the other one).

Everything has a cost. Banning legal guns costs the lives of defenseless victims. Allowing guns reduces them at the cost of more dead criminals. Seems like a worthwhile trade-off, especially since the government has been explicitly denied the power to infringe our right to keep and bear arms.

But watch as Obama increasingly tries to supersede our personal life choices with his choices, make us live our lives as he sees fit, make us more defenseless now that he has lifetime Secret Service armed protection 24/7. I'd almost make that trade, give up my guns in exchange for 2 to 5 heavily armed guards every hour of every day. Almost. But let's see Schumer or Pelosi or Feinstein tell me that (a) we don't need guns because society is civilized and there's no danger, and (b) they are giving up their armed guards because society is civilized and there's no danger.

[armygirl68j]

are there any new laws pertaining to handing down guns to your children after death..... as far as i know the law does allow guns to be transferred from parents to children with out any specific requirements such as signing them over selling them to the child recieving them etc. if there is any information on this that can be provided on this "old law" or even if the law is changing it would be greatly appreciated

[tl_3237]

are there any new laws pertaining to handing down guns to your children after death..... as far as i know the law does allow guns to be transferred from parents to children with out any specific requirements such as signing them over selling them to the child recieving them etc. if there is any information on this that can be provided on this "old law" or even if the law is changing it would be greatly appreciated

Inheriting firearms (longguns and handguns) remains legal under Pa (18 Pa CS 6115(b)(2)) and 18 USC 922(a)(3)(A) and (a)(5)(A) for interstate transfers.

The beneficiary need not be related to the deceased.

Before death gifting/sale of handguns to non-prohibited spouses or relatives within 2 degrees of ascendancy or descendancy is legal PROVIDED both the transferor and transferee are PA residents and the transfer occurs in Pa (18 PA CS 6111(c)). Longarms can be sold/gifted to anyone (non-prohibited ) even without a relationship PROVIDED both the transferor and transferee are PA residents and the transfer occurs in Pa.

In all the above cases no FFL is required,

[39flathead]

I love necrothreads, you get to see the names of the permabanned, it's like they are still with us.

[armygirl68j]

Inheriting firearms (longguns and handguns) remains legal under Pa (18 Pa CS 6115(b)(2)) and 18 USC 922(a)(3)(A) and (a)(5)(A) for interstate transfers.

The beneficiary need not be related to the deceased.

Before death gifting/sale of handguns to non-prohibited spouses or relatives within 2 degrees of ascendancy or descendancy is legal PROVIDED both the transferor and transferee are PA residents and the transfer occurs in Pa (18 PA CS 6111(c)). Longarms can be sold/gifted to anyone (non-prohibited ) even without a relationship PROVIDED both the transferor and transferee are PA residents and the transfer occurs in Pa.

In all the above cases no FFL is required,

ok now i do have another question and that is do fire arms that have been inherited/gifted need to be registered with the new owner after recipt of the firearm?

[39flathead]

ok now i do have another question and that is do fire arms that have been inherited/gifted need to be registered with the new owner after recipt of the firearm?

There is no registration in Pennsylvania except for the non-existent handgun sales registry.

Now:
Some over zealous police officers will "run" the serial numbers of a handgun to check it against this database.
There have been tales of people losing their firearm until they can "prove" it is theirs.
This is highly illegal for the cops to do, but it does happen.

What I would suggest is that if you are going to carry an inherited handgun, that you also have something notarized that you have inherited it if this worries you.
This seems to happen mostly in the eastern part of the state from what I can tell.

You can also "transfer" a firearm to yourself if you want, this will put it in the database. The trick is finding a dealer that will do this, most are ignorant on this "trick".

There are many many guns legally owned in PA without "paperwork".

I have a few that I bought while living out of state as well as a few that were gifts from my now ex-wife and two that were inherited, all totally legal but not "in my name".

[ak47fullmag]

regulations and bans WILL matter to the criminals!

Robbery & Violent crimes will increase exponentially as unarmed citizens wont stand a friggen chance