[Attempted] Car Jacking

[emsjeep]

Just got the "guess what happened" phone call from the GF...apparently her friend's BF was driving in his company Mercedes in PRNJ with the window down, stopped at a light and next thing he knew had a gun to the side of his head, standard procedure, "Get out, give me your money and keys," apparently the perp got distracted and he had the opportunity to drive off, and did. All ended safely.

My response to the GF was, "Oh, and you looked at me sideways when I went over the carjacking plan with you, huh?"

-GF retorts, "I don't see how a gun would have helped here anyway!"

"I didn't say a gun would have helped, remember how we talked about SA, leaving open space to drive off and bail out procedures?"

-"Yes."

"Well hunny this is an example of poor SA and the consequences of not minding your surroundings, if he had been boxed in, or the perp had other intentions we could be going to a closed casket next week."


-"Whatever..."


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I don't plan on getting to the point where I have a gun in my face, I tend to be very aware and so phase one of my plan begins with confronting approaching pedestrains. If the circumstances warrant, and we achieve condition Orange while in a car step 1 is to drive off immediately. If I cannot flee, exit the car (tunr off, in park, take keys), cover behind the door, tell the GF to bail and cover, verbal commands, threat of deadly force and display of implement, condition red.

In the event that I end up with a gun in my face we exit the car (turn off, take keys), either a) capitulate to demands, let the perp get into the vehicle and then when he is in a disadvantaged position regain control of the situation or b) if violence is unavoidable, disarm the perp as per my training.

Other options include using the door as a weapon and making an exit through traffic...fill out the insurance claims later...

I think that is a reasonable plan...any thoughts?

[Ten*K]

have you tried hitting her?

[The_Game]

piitb......?

[Whiskey Delta]

In the event that I end up with a gun in my face we exit the car (turn off, take keys), either a) capitulate to demands, let the perp get into the vehicle and then when he is in a disadvantaged position regain control of the situation or b) if violence is unavoidable, disarm the perp as per my training.

Other options include using the door as a weapon and making an exit through traffic...fill out the insurance claims later...

I think that is a reasonable plan...any thoughts?

I think your plan is going to get you killed, for the most part.

Remember that this guy is an experienced criminal, He has done this before. HE has multiple advantages, including the gun, the element of surprise, and it's HIS neighborhood. You think he is gonna get creamed by your DOOR? Fat chance. There is NO power behind your door opening, unless you are laying down in the seat and using both feet. He is gonna fuck you up, hit you with the gun and terrorize you. If you think he is gonna get in the car with you standing 2 feet away and direct his attention away from you, guess again.


Given the scenario of NEW JERSEY and no gun:

Once you have exited the vehicle, you have lost the battle. Don't lose the war ie. your life

If you are behind the wheel of a running vehicle, and a gun is put to your head, you are a basically tactically screwed.

IF you can drive off suddenly, putting distance between you and your threat, do so. MOST bullets will penetrate car sheet metal, but there is no way to avoid this. The metal will slow them down, and they might get stopped, but Get going. FAST. Ram any car you have to, run down any person trying to bar your way. Keep down and go, go, go.

Once you get out of the car, you can't do much except run and put distance and objects between you and your attacker. Leave him with the running car. Given the choice of chasing YOU and getting in the car, he will likely choose the car and REMOVE THE THREAT when he drives off. I keep my cell phone in my pocket, and it would go with me. Once I put some distance and cover between me and my attacker, 911 gets called. I would soft talk him and get passengers safe before I got out, so that there were no hostages. Let him know he is in charge, since he IS.

NOW, if my kids are in the car different story. Their safety is paramount. If they can get out and get safe, he can have the car. If he tries to physically jack me out and the kids aren't moving, and he aint waiting then all bets are off.

Then, it is a fight to the death and control of the weapon is first priority and the nullification of the attacker in the fastest, most brutal way possible is next. If you can't turn into a vicious, evil motherfucker in a split second, this may not work for you. If I could control the muzzle *there are specific ways of doing this* I am pretty sure I would manually kill him with my hands.

I am probably different than most 'normal' people in this regard. If I prevailed and my kids were safe, I'd drive off and find a fast food joint to wash his clotting blood off my hands and clean under my fingernails.

Then, I'd buy lunch.


Dynamic scenarios demand dynamic, fluid thinking and quick, decisive action. Perhaps your G/F avoids these discussions because she doubts her own reaction to them?

As you noted, PREVENTION by SITUATIONAL AWARENESS is about the only legal means of dealing with this shit in New Jersey.

Once you "zone out" you are just another gazelle at the watering hole.

Glad your friend made out OK. Seen enough of these go the wrong way.

[son of the revolution]

Not much I disagree with here WD . Other then the presumption that the perp must be an " experienced criminal " with all the advantages , and having done this before . While that may be possible , and maybe even likely , that doesnt mean its automatic , nor does it mean that any previous "experience " said BG has includes people fighting back quickly , violently and ruthlessly .
In fact , I would argue that the perps previous experience could certainly result in his/her overconfidence , creating an advantage for the "victim "

Just like all of these hypothetical scenarios , or when we deconstruct actual ones , its very hard to say whats right or wrong in any given situation because there are so many fluid variables in play . Which is one reason why its so important to " war game " as many situations and train for them as possible and practical . I am far from a black belt in anything other then being opinionated , but I've studied enough Aikido and Krav Maga to be confident that I will create and use an opportunity to ruthlessly disarm an armed attacker at the first chance I see . If that is , they close to hand to hand distance .

[Whiskey Delta]

Not much I disagree with here WD . Other then the presumption that the perp must be an " experienced criminal " with all the advantages , and having done this before . While that may be possible , and maybe even likely , that doesnt mean its automatic , nor does it mean that any previous "experience " said BG has includes people fighting back quickly , violently and ruthlessly .
In fact , I would argue that the perps previous experience could certainly result in his/her overconfidence , creating an advantage for the "victim "

Just like all of these hypothetical scenarios , or when we deconstruct actual ones , its very hard to say whats right or wrong in any given situation because there are so many fluid variables in play . Which is one reason why its so important to " war game " as many situations and train for them as possible and practical . I am far from a black belt in anything other then being opinionated , but I've studied enough Aikido and Krav Maga to be confident that I will create and use an opportunity to ruthlessly disarm an armed attacker at the first chance I see . If that is , they close to hand to hand distance .

I agree. The presumption was based on my own "worse case scenario". Point taken.

[The Drew]

How about not driving a mercedes in a shady part of NJ...

[Whiskey Delta]

How about not driving a mercedes in a shady part of NJ...

You need to tell me where the "non shady" part of NJ is LOL.

These guys work in the fringe parts of town. Close enough to the bad parts where folks turn away and don't snitch, but the uptown dudes drive through to get where they are going, dig?


And, my brother, these assholes will rip off your Reliant K car if they think they can get $40 out of it at the local chop shop.

It doesn't have to be a Mercedes. Any car is a good car if it ain't blowin clouds of smoke and making a death rattle.

[emsjeep]

sorry this is all based on the premise that one is armed...otherwise be prepared to just bend over...

If you lose control of the encounter and allow yourself to be approached in a severely disadvantaged position (ie. lower and confined) you don't have a chance if their intention is to use that weapon.

I would agree on all points that involve using the vehicle to the very last possible moment...remember I again presume that a quick exit is impossible due to other obstacles, cars or a disabled vehicle...

[The Drew]

You need to tell me where the "non shady" part of NJ is LOL.

These guys work in the fringe parts of town. Close enough to the bad parts where folks turn away and don't snitch, but the uptown dudes drive through to get where they are going, dig?


And, my brother, these assholes will rip off your Reliant K car if they think they can get $40 out of it at the local chop shop.

It doesn't have to be a Mercedes. Any car is a good car if it ain't blowin clouds of smoke and making a death rattle.

They MUST be busy boys then... and if that IS the case then they also must be experienced...

I don't buy the they'll jack any car logic... This guy clearly was seeing the large amounts of cash he was going to get for running this car in.