Why is China banned from importing ammo?

[Pyrotek85]

The deal with Chinese manufacturing is that so many things are made there that you'll see a lot of good and bad. People tend to remember negatives too. If something sucks you'll read the label and you'll see 'Made in China', so that's what sticks in your head. Many people, including myself, won't check where something is made when it's working properly.

[J Star]

It's not just ammo. You can't import firearms from China anymore, either. (But lead lined toothpaste, dog food, and childrens toys are A-OK!)

Thanks, Bill! (F***er...)

[Huggy]

Hell, I was thinking it was because it's got lead in it.
Can you imagine? "Recent reports show that ammunition imported from China contains large amounts of lead". "We need to keep these dangerous products out of the hands of our children. Won't someone think of the children!?"

[pandemic]

so... is there any way we could push to get that ban lifted? I think in the world of gov't against the pro gunners this would be a push in the right direction for us.

[JLR666]

if were going to push for the ammo let's push for the guns too. It would be nice to buy M14s for 400 bucks agian.

[jahwarrior72]

what, don't you get enough Chinese lead from the toys and toothpaste?

[nfafan]

I lost the link somewhere that explained it all, but in a nusthell:

the CHICOMs (remember - despite the warm/fuzzy shiit of theirs that we see at Wallyworld - they are Communists and have no issues with seeing the USA suffer) were caught in an ATF sting while selling "cleansed" full-auto AKs to an "LA street gang" made up of ATF, FBI, and Customs.

The PLA runs the govt - and the arsenals - and so were fully behind this scheme along with the usual USA-based Chinese-family front people involved.

They got caught and Klinton made all the CHICOM guns and ammo - save shotguns(??!!) - non-importable as part of an arms-embargo.

Given the love/hate relationship with Red China and now that the USA owes the Red Chinese the better part of the USA itself; it might actually be prudent to lift/modify the embargo and allow us gun-owners to help pay down the massive debt to Red China.

I for one would appreciate a cheap alternative to the over-priced Wolf ammo.

[edstephan]

If you didn't notice we don't have any more South African, Indian, Radway Green and other top quality NATO military ammo. This was done away with in 2005 - 2007. It was not because all of it ran out. I'm trying to find the ATF information about this.


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Ed Stephan

[smitty56]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norinco

Importations of most Norinco firearms and ammunition into the United States were blocked during the Clinton Administration in 1993 under new trade rules when China's Most Favored Nation status was renewed. Concerns about their use by criminals in inner cities was the reason put forward for the prohibition. The prohibition did not apply to sporting shotguns or shotgun ammunition however.
In 1994, some employees of Norinco came under federal investigation from both the FBI as well as the BATF after a successful sting dubbed “Operation Dragon Fire.” In May 1996, in what was called "the largest seizure of fully operational automatic weapons in U.S. history,"[8] 14 individuals and an Atlanta, Georgia company were indicted for the unlicensed importation and sale of 2,000 Type 56's into the United States. U.S. Customs agents posing as arms traffickers convinced a group of Chinese arms dealers, including three Norinco representatives, that they were in the market to buy guns for drug rings and street gangs.[9] "The defendants offered the government undercover agents more sophisticated weapons, including hand-held rocket launchers, mortars, anti-aircraft missiles, silenced machine guns and even tanks," said Wayne Yamashita of the U.S. Customs Service.[10] The Customs Service discovered during the investigation that these weapons were bound for Oakland, California street gangs.[11] According to an affidavit signed by two of the undercover agents involved in the investigation, representatives from Norinco offered to sell urban gangs shoulder-held missile launchers capable of downing a large commercial airliner.
In August 2003, the Bush administration imposed sanctions on Norinco for allegedly selling missile-related goods to Iran.[11] While not formally joining the multinational effort to restrict the proliferation of missiles, China did commit in 2000, not to assist in any way the development by other countries of MTCR-class missile technology. Neither the Chinese government nor Norinco has denied doing business with Iranian companies, although they did deny that it was for missile related purposes at the Shahid Hemmat Industrial Group, Iran’s key manufacturer of ballistic and non ballistic missiles.[12] Norinco has called the sanctions "groundless and unjustified" and "entirely unreasonable."[13]
These sanctions led to a prohibition on imports into the US of the remaining types of firearms and ammunition not covered by the 1993 ban.

[pandemic]

It's surprising to me because we're doing business with Russia - who we always seem to argue with, but not China. Granted that's a black mark on their record, that sting, but come on. Ban ammo too? I'm sure there is a lot more ammo we could be getting rather than what's available.