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March 16th, 2009, 02:42 PM #41
Re: Well it happened, PFA on my friend and he has questions
23 Pa.C.S.A. § 6106
(a) 1 False reports.--A person who knowingly gives false information to any law enforcement officer with the intent to implicate another under this chapter commits an offense under 18 Pa.C.S. § 4906 (relating to false reports to law enforcement authorities).
My buddies ex's lawyer TOLD her to do it as it works in their favor to get a speedy divorce in most cases and gives one spouse all the power over the other. Whoever gets the PFA first holds all the cards, holds the house, the possessions... everything.
The hope is the spouse will just plead it out, and then this is used as leverage in the divorce. As soon as her lawyer heard he had a lawyer on retainer and they were fighting it they decided to drop it at the court house (of course after he got charged the lawyers fee for showing up to trial).And the best part? the vast majority of PFA is "whoever strikes first, WINS". There is no proof necessary, its 100% he said / she said, no witnesses are needed (although they can help or hurt). Its all about "what happens behind closed doors", just like Terroristic Threats... no witnessed needed, "He said he would go berserk if I ever divorced him and now I did so I'm worried"... PFA granted
As far as I am aware a PFA DOES forbid the person issued against from handling firearms http://www.womenslaw.org/laws_state_...&state_code=PAPlease help my Baby Kitties and I avoid being homeless.
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March 16th, 2009, 02:44 PM #42
Re: Well it happened, PFA on my friend and he has questions
Please help my Baby Kitties and I avoid being homeless.
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March 16th, 2009, 03:01 PM #44
Re: Well it happened, PFA on my friend and he has questions
She should have filed charges against him for the attacks. What would she have done if the PFA option wasn't there? A persons inability to act due to fear should not subject me to the possibility of having my rights violated on a simple accusation, and that is what a PFA does.
I'll let the anti remarks slide.
These things are a tool in the toolbox, but they shouldn't be. Here is the general so called due process in a PFA proceeding:
Her> *Sniff* Your honor, he threatened to kill me.
Him> ??!!What??!! Your honor, I certainly did no such thing!
Judge> *Bang* Order granted, turn in your guns. Fill out the financial paperwork with the clerk and half your pay now gets deducted and deposited in her account. If you are within 100 feet of her you will spend the next month in jail. *bang* Next!
No reason to go further here as far as I'm concerned. I'll agree to disagree with you here on this subject.Last edited by headcase; March 16th, 2009 at 03:03 PM.
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March 16th, 2009, 03:11 PM #45
Re: Well it happened, PFA on my friend and he has questions
The first vehicles normally on the scene of a crime are ambulances and police cruisers. If you are armed you have a chance to decide who gets transported in which vehicle, if you are not armed then that decision is made for you.
Be prepared, because someone else already is and no one knows their intent except them.
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March 16th, 2009, 03:21 PM #46
Re: Well it happened, PFA on my friend and he has questions
I was going to stay out of this. But, I watch Lifetime TV Network ( I am secure in my manhood) and what it has shown me is:
1. PFA's aren't worth the paper they are written on.
2. If a woman is really that afraid.....she won't even have one done for fear that it will piss the guy off more.
3. A piece of paper has never stopped anyone from getting killed or beaten.
4. They are great for harassing guys that would have been decent in the first place.
5. If they had any teeth to them. Say, you violate the PFA then you go to jail for 50 years. 10 day, month anything like that will only serve to piss him off more and get her a worse beating or killed.
Sounds a lot like gun laws to me.Koli's back from Ambler.
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March 16th, 2009, 03:33 PM #47
Re: Well it happened, PFA on my friend and he has questions
I'll say this yet again, the moment the shrink was called by the hospital it was no longer a criminal matter, it was a mental health matter. She COULD NOT file charges at that point.
What would she have done if the PFA option wasn't there?
A persons inability to act due to fear should not subject me to the possibility of having my rights violated on a simple accusation, and that is what a PFA does.
I'll let the anti remarks slide.
These things are a tool in the toolbox, but they shouldn't be.
Here is the general so called due process in a PFA proceeding:
Her> *Sniff* Your honor, he threatened to kill me.
Him> ??!!What??!! Your honor, I certainly did no such thing!
Judge> *Bang* Order granted, turn in your guns. Fill out the financial paperwork with the clerk and half your pay now gets deducted and deposited in her account. If you are within 100 feet of her you will spend the next month in jail. *bang* Next!
Trying to argue how PFA's and getting one works with someone who has one against someone is a losing proposition.
As it stands right now, when the PFA expires at the end of august itll get renewed again because he's been to my door 3 times since last august, each time screaming through the window next to the buildings front door for me to "OPEN THIS FUCKING DOOR AND TELL ME WHERE THE BITCH IS!!! I HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW WHERE SHE IS!!! LET ME IN AND TELL ME WHERE THE FUCK SHE IS!!" Real rational indivicual there. When the police rol around the corner onto the block he instantly stops screaming and stands there completley calm, sometimes even wringing the doorbell again. He always denies having seen me come down the steps. And because of the PFA, he always gets arrested for violating it.
People like him are the reason why we have and need PFAs.[/QUOTE]
No reason to go further here as far as I'm concerned. I'll agree to disagree with you here on this subject.Please help my Baby Kitties and I avoid being homeless.
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March 16th, 2009, 03:37 PM #48
Re: Well it happened, PFA on my friend and he has questions
Police report, court documents, and if they walk into the hearing and under oath repeat the false statements they made when filing the PFA, lying under oath. Dickhead pulled the standard routine of filing a PFA against her within hours of being served with the temporary order, filled it with a mountain of lies that were proven in court, and got nailed with all 3 by the judge.
Please help my Baby Kitties and I avoid being homeless.
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March 16th, 2009, 03:50 PM #49
Re: Well it happened, PFA on my friend and he has questions
some people really are that stupid I guess.
I would be much more impressed if the TPA came with a LTCF firearm permit to protect the abused. Want to put teeth to it? there ya go
I think if I was in your situation I would be armed every minute of every day. Good luck
btw - I don't think ANYONE has any issue with PFA's being used for their REAL purpose, like yours. Its the abuse of them that really ticks most people offThe first vehicles normally on the scene of a crime are ambulances and police cruisers. If you are armed you have a chance to decide who gets transported in which vehicle, if you are not armed then that decision is made for you.
Be prepared, because someone else already is and no one knows their intent except them.
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March 16th, 2009, 03:54 PM #50
Re: Well it happened, PFA on my friend and he has questions
Where else you gonna see classic comedies like Night Court?
/me misses having something more than basic cable.
and what it has shown me is:
1. PFA's aren't worth the paper they are written on.
2. If a woman is really that afraid.....she won't even have one done for fear that it will piss the guy off more.
3. A piece of paper has never stopped anyone from getting killed or beaten.
4. They are great for harassing guys that would have been decent in the first place.
5. If they had any teeth to them. Say, you violate the PFA then you go to jail for 50 years. 10 day, month anything like that will only serve to piss him off more and get her a worse beating or killed.
2. Until someone knows they can safely act they're not going to do anything. Would you try to reach for your gun while staring down the barrel of a criminals, or would you wait till he turned it somewhere else?
3. Kept my friend from being beaten or killed. More importantly, it gives the person the opportunity to get as far away as they can and provides a means of giving someone more than just a slap on the wrist.
4. Its not just women that abuse them and the courts have gotten alot wiser to the standard scams that get pulled. Men are just as guilty of abusing PFAs as women are, its become SOP for breakups with lawyers even telling their clients to do it.
5. All the teeth in the world don't mean a thing when judges refuse to use them. Within certain limits, how long a person serves, if any time at all, for violating is at the judges discretion.
23 Pa.C.S.A. § 6114
§ 6114. Contempt for violation of order or agreement
(b) Trial and punishment.--
(1) A sentence for contempt under this chapter may include:
(i)(A) a fine of not less than $300 nor more than $1,000 and imprisonment up to six months; or
(B) a fine of not less than $300 nor more than $1,000 and supervised probation not to exceed six months; and
(ii) an order for other relief set forth in this chapter.
Sounds a lot like gun laws to me.Please help my Baby Kitties and I avoid being homeless.
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