PA. Law on the use of deadly force

[TaePo]

Read and reread the laws. All of the laws dealing with force and deadly force.

This is what I did when I first started carrying under the new laws.
Also review future, current and old posts here. They will help you garner an understanding.

Training is paramount or experience in law but you have to bite the bullet and read them yourself as well.

Put them away for awhile, tomorrow, take them out again and read once or twice or only certain sections.

Eventually it starts to make sense. Then you can always ask a question on the boards for other opinions. But the best opinion is a legal one you have paid for.

IANAL (I am not a lawyer).

[Swarner793]

so i call the psp, i ask to talk to the super on duty,

25% chance that was my Brother. Hard to find a more pro-gun PSP employee anywhere. We were both raised by the MOST pro-gun PSP employee EVER!

Just curious, what Twp. was it?

Be safe (and have your Twp. Supervisors shoot at your house, I do ).

Scott

[Lone Wolf]

How about the use of deadly force when attacked while in your vechicle? If I am in my car in a parking lot with my seatbelt on, waiting for someone and another person walks up to the car (it could be a pissed off ex-coworker,for example),opens the driver side door and starts screaming,yelling and punching you. What could be legally done to defend yourself? It would be pretty damn hard to unbuckle yourself, jump over the console and excape thru the passenger side door and just as hard to start your car and drive away while trying to fend off the assialiant. Also, if you did get the car started, you could endanger others because you dont have full control of the vechicle. Does anyone think lethal force would be acceptable in this situation?

[son of the revolution]

How about the use of deadly force when attacked while in your vechicle? If I am in my car in a parking lot with my seatbelt on, waiting for someone and another person walks up to the car (it could be a pissed off ex-coworker,for example),opens the driver side door and starts screaming,yelling and punching you. What could be legally done to defend yourself? It would be pretty damn hard to unbuckle yourself, jump over the console and excape thru the passenger side door and just as hard to start your car and drive away while trying to fend off the assialiant. Also, if you did get the car started, you could endanger others because you dont have full control of the vechicle. Does anyone think lethal force would be acceptable in this situation?

In the above described scenario , are you able to retreat with complete safety ?? Given your description it seems highly unlikely , so..................

[ChamberedRound]

How about the use of deadly force when attacked while in your vechicle? If I am in my car in a parking lot with my seatbelt on, waiting for someone and another person walks up to the car (it could be a pissed off ex-coworker,for example),opens the driver side door and starts screaming,yelling and punching you. What could be legally done to defend yourself? It would be pretty damn hard to unbuckle yourself, jump over the console and excape thru the passenger side door and just as hard to start your car and drive away while trying to fend off the assialiant. Also, if you did get the car started, you could endanger others because you dont have full control of the vechicle. Does anyone think lethal force would be acceptable in this situation?

I don't believe a car in PA is legally considered an extension of one's home. If that assumption holds, then one does have a duty to retreat prior to employing deadly force unless justification can be provided.

[snipers215]

and the debate continues... The burden of proof is a mother.

[gnbrotz]

Who's phillip kline ??

http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-ope...op-series.html

He's a defense attorney, knowledgeable in firearms law, and a participant on this forum (GunLawyer001)

[snipers215]

Thanks GNBROTZ...
And by the way ...That's one nasty lookin dog ...haha

[40sw_IV_me]

and the debate continues... The burden of proof is a mother.

Seems to me the burdon of proof is too often on the wrong party. You might as well shoot the fool in the leg and then ask him what the heck he's doing attacking an armed man. If you're legal and the victim, it stands to reason that the burdon of proof is his cross to bear. What ever happened to "Innocent until proven guilty"?

...but I guess if he's dearly departed there's no one to ask.

By the way, does anyone happen to know the legal ramifications to stopping an assailant rather than ending his life? i.e. shooting said attcker in the leg to get him to stop?

[Orion0317]

Seems to me the burdon of proof is too often on the wrong party. You might as well shoot the fool in the leg and then ask him what the heck he's doing attacking an armed man. If you're legal and the victim, it stands to reason that the burdon of proof is his cross to bear. What ever happened to "Innocent until proven guilty"?

...but I guess if he's dearly departed there's no one to ask.

By the way, does anyone happen to know the legal ramifications to stopping an assailant rather than ending his life? i.e. shooting said attcker in the leg to get him to stop?

Don't quote me, IANAL, all that good stuff, but I believe that the use of deadly force is only allowed until the attacker has ceased attacking you. So if that is true and a shot to the leg stops him, then that's that. However, I know that personally I wouldn't be aiming for their leg if I was in fear for my life.