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    Exclamation House Bill 760 -GUN REGISTRATION

    House Bill No. 760 introduced today

    Here we go again...pay particular attention to the red highlighted text.

    Bill just introduced in the House for complete gun registration. I especially love the part about requiring a current photograph and your Social Security number on the application. The part about keeping it in the house disassembled or with a trigger lock is also laughable - see the District of Columbia ruling on DC's ban for that one.

    WHAT PART OF ARTICLE 21 DO THESE "LEGISLATORS" NOT UNDERSTAND???



    PRINTER'S NO. 881


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    THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF PENNSYLVANIA

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    HOUSE BILL
    No. 760 Session of 2007


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    INTRODUCED BY CRUZ, YOUNGBLOOD, PARKER, WHEATLEY, BENNINGTON AND
    CURRY, MARCH 19, 2007


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    REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY, MARCH 19, 2007


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    AN ACT

    1 Relating to firearm registration; providing for duties of the
    2 Pennsylvania State Police; and imposing penalties.

    3 The General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
    4 hereby enacts as follows:
    5 Section 1. Short title.
    6 This act shall be known and may be cited as the Firearm
    7 Registration Act.
    8 Section 2. Definitions.
    9 The following words and phrases when used in this act shall
    10 have the meanings given to them in this section unless the
    11 context clearly indicates otherwise:
    12 "Antique firearm." Includes:
    13 (1) Any firearm, including any firearm with a matchlock,
    14 flintlock, percussion cap or similar type of ignition system,
    15 manufactured in or before 1898.
    16 (2) Any replica of any firearm described in paragraph
    17 (1) if the replica:



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    1 (i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire
    2 or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition; or
    3 (ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire
    4 ammunition that is no longer manufactured in the United
    5 States and that is not readily available in the ordinary
    6 channels of commercial trade.
    7 (3) Any firearm, other than a machine gun, which,
    8 although designed as a weapon, the Pennsylvania State Police
    9 finds by reason of the date of its manufacture, value, design
    10 and other characteristics is primarily a collector's item and
    11 is not likely to be used as a weapon.
    12 "Firearm." A weapon which will or is designed or restored to
    13 expel a projectile or projectiles by the action of any
    14 explosive, the frame or receiver of any such device or any
    15 firearm muffler or silencer. The term shall not include:
    16 (1) Antique firearms.
    17 (2) Any device used exclusively for line-throwing,
    18 signaling or safety and required or recommended by the United
    19 States Coast Guard or Interstate Commerce Commission.
    20 (3) Any device used exclusively for firing explosives,
    21 rivets, stud cartridges or any similar industrial ammunition
    22 incapable of use as a weapon.
    23 Section 3. Registration.
    24 (a) General rule.--All firearms in this Commonwealth shall
    25 be registered in accordance with this section. It shall be the
    26 duty of a person owning or possessing any firearm to cause the
    27 firearm to be registered. No person within this Commonwealth may
    28 possess, harbor, have under the person's control, transfer,
    29 offer for sale, sell, give, deliver or accept any firearm unless
    30 the person is the holder of a valid registration certificate for
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    1 the firearm. No person within this Commonwealth may possess,
    2 harbor, have under the person's control, transfer, offer for
    3 sale, sell, deliver or accept any firearm which is
    4 unregisterable under this act.
    5 (b) Nonapplicability.--This section shall not apply to:
    6 (1) Firearms owned or under the direct control or
    7 custody of any Federal, State or local governmental authority
    8 maintained in the course of its official duties.
    9 (2) Duty-related firearms owned and possessed by law
    10 enforcement officers who are not residents of this
    11 Commonwealth.
    12 (3) Duty-related firearms owned and possessed by
    13 corrections officers who are not residents of this
    14 Commonwealth.
    15 (4) Firearms owned, manufactured or processed by
    16 licensed manufacturers of firearms, bulk transporters or
    17 licensed sellers of firearms at wholesale or retail, provided
    18 that such persons have all licenses required by law.
    19 (5) Any nonresident of this Commonwealth participating
    20 in any lawful recreational firearm-related activity in this
    21 Commonwealth, or on the way to or from the firearm-related
    22 activity in another jurisdiction, provided that the
    23 possession or control of the firearm is lawful in the
    24 jurisdiction in which the individual resides and that the
    25 weapon is either:
    26 (i) Broken down in a nonfunctioning state.
    27 (ii) Unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm-
    28 carrying box, shipping box or other container.
    29 (6) Private security personnel who possess or control
    30 any firearm or ammunition within this Commonwealth. Firearms
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    1 under this paragraph shall be owned and maintained by the
    2 security firm employing the security personnel and shall be
    3 registered by the security firm in accordance with this
    4 section.
    5 Section 4. Insurance.
    6 (a) General rule.--No registration certificate shall be
    7 issued to any person unless the person:
    8 (1) Has not been convicted of a crime of violence.
    9 (2) Has not been convicted within the five years prior
    10 to the application of any violation of any law relating to
    11 the use, possession or sale of any narcotic or dangerous
    12 drug.
    13 (3) Is not otherwise ineligible to possess a firearm
    14 under any Federal or State law.
    15 (b) Application.--Every person who is required to register a
    16 firearm under this act shall obtain an application for
    17 registration of the firearm from the Pennsylvania State Police.
    18 The application shall be in writing and sworn under oath and
    19 shall require the following information:
    20 (1) The name, home and business address, telephone
    21 number, date of birth and Social Security number of the
    22 applicant.
    23 (2) The age, sex and citizenship of the applicant.
    24 (3) The name of the manufacturer, the caliber or gauge,
    25 the model, type and serial number of each firearm to be
    26 registered.
    27 (4) Two photographs taken within 30 days immediately
    28 prior to the date of filing the application equivalent to
    29 passport size showing the full face, head and shoulders of
    30 the applicant in a clear and distinguishing manner.

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    1 (5) Additional information as the Pennsylvania State
    2 Police may deem necessary to process the application.
    3 (c) Fingerprinting.--The applicant or registrant shall
    4 submit to fingerprinting by the Pennsylvania State Police in
    5 accordance with procedures and regulations prescribed by the
    6 Pennsylvania State Police.
    7 (d) Records.--The Pennsylvania State Police shall cause to
    8 be kept an accurate record of each application received and
    9 acted upon together with all other information and data
    10 pertaining to the application on all applications for owner's
    11 registration certificates issued or denied under this act.
    12 Applications for owner's registration certificates shall be
    13 numbered in consecutive numbers as filed, and each certificate
    14 issued shall be identified with the duplicate number of the
    15 application upon which it was issued and shall expire
    16 automatically one year from the date of issuance.
    17 (e) Background check.--The Pennsylvania State Police shall
    18 conduct a criminal background check on the applicant to ensure
    19 compliance with this section. No application may be approved
    20 until and unless a criminal background check is completed.
    21 (f) Procedure.--Within 30 days of receipt of an application,
    22 the Pennsylvania State Police, after consideration of the
    23 application for an owner's registration certificate and all
    24 information obtained relative to the application, shall either
    25 approve or deny the application and notify the applicant in
    26 writing of the determination.
    27 (g) Approval.--In the event the application is approved, the
    28 Pennsylvania State Police shall issue to the applicant an
    29 owner's registration certificate which shall contain the
    30 applicant's name, residence, date of birth, photograph and other
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    1 personal information as may be required by the Pennsylvania
    2 State Police. The owner's registration certificate shall not be
    3 transferable and shall be carried simultaneously with the
    4 firearm and shall be exhibited to any police officer upon demand
    5 for inspection.
    Registration shall not make lawful the carrying
    6 or possessing of a firearm if prohibited by law.
    7 (h) Denial.--In the event the application is denied, the
    8 Pennsylvania State Police shall inform the applicant in writing
    9 of the denial. Any applicant who believes that the applicant's
    10 application is wrongfully denied may, within ten days after
    11 receiving notice of the denial, file a written appeal of the
    12 denial in accordance with 2 Pa.C.S. (relating to administrative
    13 law and procedure). Within three days after notification of a
    14 decision unfavorable to the applicant and all time for appeal
    15 having expired, the applicant shall surrender to the
    16 Pennsylvania State Police the firearm for which the applicant
    17 was denied registration.

    18 (i) Renewal.--Each registrant must renew registration
    19 annually. Applications for renewal shall be made by a registrant
    20 60 days prior to the expiration of the current registration
    21 certificate.

    22 Section 5. Additional duties of registrant.
    23 Each person holding a registration certificate shall:
    24 (1) Notify the Pennsylvania State Police of:
    25 (i) The loss, theft or destruction of the
    26 registration certificate or of a registered firearm
    27 within 48 hours of the discovery of the loss, theft or
    28 destruction.
    29 (ii) A change in any of the information appearing on
    30 the registration certificate within 48 hours.
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    1 (iii) The sale, transfer or other disposition of the
    2 firearm not less than 48 hours prior to delivery.
    3 (2) Return to the Pennsylvania State Police the
    4 registrant's copy of the registration certificate for any
    5 firearm which is lost, stolen, destroyed or otherwise
    6 disposed of within 48 hours.
    7 (3) Keep any firearm in the registrant's possession
    8 unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock, gun
    9 safe or similar device unless the firearm is in the
    10 registrant's immediate possession and control while at the
    11 registrant's place of residence or business or while being
    12 used for lawful recreational purposes within this
    13 Commonwealth.
    This paragraph shall not apply to law
    14 enforcement personnel or security personnel while in the
    15 course of their employment.
    16 Section 6. Application fee.
    17 A nonrefundable fee of $10 per firearm shall accompany each
    18 application for registration of a firearm and renewal of
    19 registration of a firearm.
    20 Section 7. Penalty.
    21 A person who violates this act commits a summary offense.
    22 Section 8. Regulations.
    23 The Pennsylvania State Police shall promulgate rules and
    24 regulations for the implementation of this act.
    25 Section 9. Acquisition or possession prohibited by law.
    26 Nothing in this act shall make lawful the acquisition or
    27 possession of firearms or firearm accessories which is otherwise
    28 prohibited by law.
    29 Section 10. Effective date.
    30 This act shall take effect in 180 days.
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    Default Re: House Bill 760 -GUN REGISTRATION

    §6111.4. Registration of Firearms.

    Notwithstanding any section of this chapter to the contrary, nothing in this chapter shall be construed to allow any government or law enforcement agency or any agent thereof to create, maintain or operate any registry of firearm ownership within this Commonwealth. For the purposes of this section only, the term “firearm” shall include any weapon that is designed to or may readily be converted to expel any projectile by the action of an explosive or the frame or receiver of any such weapon.

    Shouldn't this part of the PA Uniform Firearm Act takes care of this nicely??? At what point do they thing making laws that currently overright other laws will work?!?!
    Last edited by Kenshin; March 20th, 2007 at 01:11 PM.

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    Default Re: House Bill 760 -GUN REGISTRATION

    Thats a long bill so maybe I missed it.

    But it doesn't ammend the UFA, so it would have no legal standing. I don't get it? This bill serves no purpose unless i'm missing something

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    Exclamation Re: House Bill 760 -GUN REGISTRATION

    Just think of it this way, as residents of England and Austraila already know all too well:

    REGISTRATION = CONFISCATION

    Section 21 of the PA State Constitution reads that "The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned."

    I take this to mean that the GOVERNMENT does not have the right to QUESTION OR DENY me the ownership of firearms, REQUIRE registration of firearms, or the recinding of the right of self defense. Period.

    These "legislators" need to be taken to the woodshed....

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    Default Re: House Bill 760 -GUN REGISTRATION

    Quote Originally Posted by NoHackrLtd View Post
    Just think of it this way, as residents of England and Austraila already know all too well:

    REGISTRATION = CONFISCATION

    Section 21 of the PA State Constitution reads that "The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned."

    I take this to mean that the GOVERNMENT does not have the right to QUESTION OR DENY me the ownership of firearms, REQUIRE registration of firearms, or the recinding of the right of self defense. Period.

    These "legislators" need to be taken to the woodshed....
    If it doesn't amend the UFA and the relevant sections of current law, it is just hot air in the wind. Since this bill does not specify the modification(s) specified above...
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    Default Re: House Bill 760 -GUN REGISTRATION

    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaII5 View Post
    Thats a long bill so maybe I missed it.

    But it doesn't ammend the UFA, so it would have no legal standing. I don't get it? This bill serves no purpose unless i'm missing something
    You need to print it and read it. It smacks heavily of what New Jersey and Illinois residents must go through - the "blessing" of the State Police and the PA Government to even own a firearm.

    The annual renewal clause is as scary as it is laughable. If the PA State Police don't get your permit / registration renewed in time, or you're denied, you MUST SURRENDER THE FIREARM TO THE STATE.

    HARRISBURG, GO TO HELL!

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    Default Re: House Bill 760 -GUN REGISTRATION

    Quote Originally Posted by NoHackrLtd View Post
    You need to print it and read it. It smacks heavily of what New Jersey and Illinois residents must go through - the "blessing" of the State Police and the PA Government to even own a firearm.

    The annual renewal clause is as scary as it is laughable. If the PA State Police don't get your permit / registration renewed in time, or you're denied, you MUST SURRENDER THE FIREARM TO THE STATE.

    HARRISBURG, GO TO HELL!
    I skimmed through it, but the bill is irrelevant. The bill has to ammend the PA UFA for it to matter. Most bills in the first 1-5 lines say "An Act Amending Title 18" this one does not. So this bill would conflict with the PA UFA. So in otherwords as billamj said it's nothing but "hot air" There are many other bills like the AWB and Safety Standards bills that will amend the UFA, those we should be concerned about.

    I didn't look up the sponsors but I assume they are from the Philly area, which is saturated with those who have left NY and NJ and brought their views with them.

    Screw building a fence on our southern US border we need one along the NJ and NY state borders.

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    Default Re: House Bill 760 -GUN REGISTRATION

    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaII5 View Post
    I skimmed through it, but the bill is irrelevant. The bill has to ammend the PA UFA for it to matter. Most bills in the first 1-5 lines say "An Act Amending Title 18" this one does not. So this bill would conflict with the PA UFA. So in otherwords as billamj said it's nothing but "hot air" There are many other bills like the AWB and Safety Standards bills that will amend the UFA, those we should be concerned about.

    I didn't look up the sponsors but I assume they are from the Philly area, which is saturated with those who have left NY and NJ and brought their views with them.

    Screw building a fence on our southern US border we need one along the NJ and NY state borders.
    Actually, I'm not sure that they are from the southeast, I can't say that I recognize the names. I'm going to look them up though.

    ETA: Looked them up and surprise, surprise they are from Philadelphia, Allegheny and Montgomery counties. You folks who live there need to contact these twits and explain things to them.
    Last edited by billamj; March 20th, 2007 at 01:55 PM.
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    Good information, you beat me to the post, I just found it in today's legislative update. But for those who care, don't think that this can't or won't be enforced even if it does conflict with other parts of Title 18! By having conflicting laws, it gets thrown to the courts, can you guarantee that the judge that might review this will kill it?

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    Pay $10 a year per gun plus the costs of pictures, etc, for the privilege of owning guns? I think this law would make a lot of us criminals. Good thing it won't go anywhere.

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