Legallity of carrying a certain firearm

[poseidon5]

Ok, I know that you can not carry a loaded long arm, or have one loaded in a car. however, my question is about the serbu super shorty. technically the reason it is registered as an AOW is because when it comes from the factory before being sent to serbu, it is considered a smooth bore pistol because it has a pistol grip, and no stock. so am i correct in asuming that this is not to be considered a long arm, and can be carried. not that i am planning on carrying it around, just curious about it.

[gnbrotz]

Ok, I know that you can not carry a loaded long arm,

False.



Does that answer your other question?

[rovert97]

hunters walk the sides of roads after a long day in the woods on their way to their cars with loaded long guns....

just thought you might wanna know that.

[knight0334]

As long as it meets the legal description of PA law its legal to carry concealed with a LTCF regardless of the designation by federal law as a AOW. Its a shotgun(smoothbore), it has a barrel less than 18", and it has an overall length less than 26".

And, you can carry a concealed loaded long gun under a trench coat or duster WITHOUT a license - legally. Just cant have a loaded long gun in a vehicle whether you are licensed or not.

[JayBell]

Its a shotgun(smoothbore), it has a barrel less than 18", and it has an overall length less than 26".

no, it's not a shotgun. if it was a shotgun it would be classified as an SBS = Short Barrelled Shotgun.

An "shotgun" TYPE AOW is a "pistol or revolver having a smooth bore designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell"

it's always best to be as accurate as possible when discussing legal status of firearms

either way, it qualifies as a "firearm" that can be carried on your PA LTCF.

[knight0334]

no, it's not a shotgun. if it was a shotgun it would be classified as an SBS = Short Barrelled Shotgun.

An "shotgun" TYPE AOW is a "pistol or revolver having a smooth bore designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell"

it's always best to be as accurate as possible when discussing legal status of firearms

either way, it qualifies as a "firearm" that can be carried on your PA LTCF.

Thats still a misnomer too.. Because there are smoothbore pistols that were designed and chambered to shoot single projectile cartridges(bullets) that are legally AOW's. For the purpose of the LTCF, PA's law doesn't differentiate the legal difference between AOW's and SBS's.

Weirdness double applies when buying a >18" barrel+>26" OAL pistol grip only "shotgun", the sale is treated like a handgun(>21yo) under federal law.

The term shotgun is rather generic, what matters is the type of bore and stock/grip.

All really splitting hairs, either way it is covered under the LTCF.

EDIT- added the red above.

[jerkin]

Just cant have a loaded long gun in a vehicle whether you are licensed or not.

And on that note, if I'm taking my AR out with loaded mags do they need to be in a separate container?

[knight0334]

And on that note, if I'm taking my AR out with loaded mags do they need to be in a separate container?

§ 6102. Definitions

“Loaded.” A firearm is loaded if the firing chamber, the nondetachable magazine or in the case of a revolver, any of the chambers of the cylinder contain ammunition capable of being fired. In the case of a firearm which utilizes a detachable magazine, the term shall mean a magazine suitable for use in said firearm which magazine contains such ammunition and has been inserted in the firearm or is in the same container or, where the container has multiple compartments, the same compartment thereof as the firearm.

[Skullz]

§ 6102. Definitions

“Loaded.” A firearm is loaded if the firing chamber, the nondetachable magazine or in the case of a revolver, any of the chambers of the cylinder contain ammunition capable of being fired. In the case of a firearm which utilizes a detachable magazine, the term shall mean a magazine suitable for use in said firearm which magazine contains such ammunition and has been inserted in the firearm or is in the same container or, where the container has multiple compartments, the same compartment thereof as the firearm.

So these



Are loaded?

Assume the magazines for both guns are full.

[knight0334]

From that picture, if the magazines are loaded - they cant be inside that case.

You can have the loaded mags all over the dash, front seat, glovebox, etc - but not within the same case as the long gun.