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    Default Retail Theft charges a disqualifier?

    I ran into a friend from my high school days recently. We've been getting back in touch with eachother and I told her about my views on self defense and owning firearms. She said she had been thinking about it herself because where she lives by her college is pretty crappy. I never knew her to be stupid or into drugs or anything, but I figured I'd ask for the hell of it. She said her and a friend got caught stealing t-shirts the summer after graduation at a local store. She was charged with some misdemeanor but she forgot what it was. Had to pay a fine and take an ARD class of some type. I was wondering if you guys could help me find out if she is prohibited. She's looking for the paperwork so I can list the exact conviction.

    Section 3502 (relating to burglary).

    Is all I could find in the prohibited section of our statutes.
    I couldn't find anything when I googled it and I don't know if retail theft is even considered burglary in the sense of being prohibiting. thanks guys.

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    Default Re: Retail Theft charges a disqualifier?

    With her first and last name, and the county in which the crime occurred, you may be able too access the info here.
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    Default Re: Retail Theft charges a disqualifier?

    thanks greg, i found her. I just need to download acrobat reader so i can view the court summary.

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    Default Re: Retail Theft charges a disqualifier?

    tech support time! its telling me adobe acrobat 5.0 isnt compatible with this version of windows, I run Vista 64bit.

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    Default Re: Retail Theft charges a disqualifier?

    5.0?? It looks like the latest version is 9. Get it here.
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    Default Re: Retail Theft charges a disqualifier?

    If she took the ARD program that should have been expunged if completed, and if the judge didn't assign any other conditions. Retail theft is not prohibiting unless it she done it a more than a couple times, or the value was more than $150.



    § 3929. Retail theft



    (a) Offense defined.--A person is guilty of a retail theft if he:

    (1) takes possession of, carries away, transfers or causes to be carried away or transferred, any merchandise displayed, held, stored or offered for sale by any store or other retail mercantile establishment with the intention of depriving the merchant of the possession, use or benefit of such merchandise without paying the full retail value thereof;

    (2) alters, transfers or removes any label, price tag marking, indicia of value or any other markings which aid in determining value affixed to any merchandise displayed, held, stored or offered for sale in a store or other retail mercantile establishment and attempts to purchase such merchandise personally or in consort with another at less than the full retail value with the intention of depriving the merchant of the full retail value of such merchandise;

    (3) transfers any merchandise displayed, held, stored or offered for sale by any store or other retail mercantile establishment from the container in or on which the same shall be displayed to any other container with intent to deprive the merchant of all or some part of the full retail value thereof; or

    (4) under-rings with the intention of depriving the merchant of the full retail value of the merchandise.

    (5) destroys, removes, renders inoperative or deactivates any inventory control tag, security strip or any other mechanism designed or employed to prevent an offense under this section with the intention of depriving the merchant of the possession, use or benefit of such merchandise without paying the full retail value thereof.


    (b) Grading.--

    (1) Retail theft constitutes a:

    (i) Summary offense when the offense is a first offense and the value of the merchandise is less than $150.

    (ii) Misdemeanor of the second degree when the offense is a second offense and the value of the merchandise is less than $150.

    (iii) Misdemeanor of the first degree when the offense is a first or second offense and the value of the merchandise is $150 or more.

    (iv) Felony of the third degree when the offense is a third or subsequent offense, regardless of the value of the merchandise.

    (v) Felony of the third degree when the amount involved exceeds $2,000 or if the merchandise involved is a firearm or a motor vehicle.

    (1.1) Any person who is convicted under subsection (a) of retail theft of motor fuel may, in addition to any other penalty imposed, be sentenced as follows:

    (i) For a first offense, to pay a fine of not less than $100 nor more than $250.

    (ii) For a second offense, to pay a fine of not less than $250 nor more than $500.

    (iii) For a third or subsequent offense, to pay a fine of not less than $500, or the court may order the operating privilege of the person suspended for 30 days. A copy of the order shall be transmitted to the Department of Transportation.

    (2) Amounts involved in retail thefts committed pursuant to one scheme or course of conduct, whether from the same store or retail mercantile establishment or several stores or retail mercantile establishments, may be aggregated in determining the grade of the offense.


    (c) Presumptions.--Any person intentionally concealing unpurchased property of any store or other mercantile establishment, either on the premises or outside the premises of such store, shall be prima facie presumed to have so concealed such property with the intention of depriving the merchant of the possession, use or benefit of such merchandise without paying the full retail value thereof within the meaning of subsection (a), and the finding of such unpurchased property concealed, upon the person or among the belongings of such person, shall be prima facie evidence of intentional concealment, and, if such person conceals, or causes to be concealed, such unpurchased property, upon the person or among the belongings of another, such fact shall also be prima facie evidence of intentional concealment on the part of the person so concealing such property.


    (c.1) Evidence.--To the extent that there is other competent evidence to substantiate the offense, the conviction shall not be avoided because the prosecution cannot produce the stolen merchandise.


    (d) Detention.--A peace officer, merchant or merchant's employee or an agent under contract with a merchant, who has probable cause to believe that retail theft has occurred or is occurring on or about a store or other retail mercantile establishment and who has probable cause to believe that a specific person has committed or is committing the retail theft may detain the suspect in a reasonable manner for a reasonable time on or off the premises for all or any of the following purposes: to require the suspect to identify himself, to verify such identification, to determine whether such suspect has in his possession unpurchased merchandise taken from the mercantile establishment and, if so, to recover such merchandise, to inform a peace officer, or to institute criminal proceedings against the suspect. Such detention shall not impose civil or criminal liability upon the peace officer, merchant, employee, or agent so detaining.


    (e) Reduction prohibited.--No magisterial district judge shall have the power to reduce any other charge of theft to a charge of retail theft as defined in this section.


    (f) Definitions.--


    "Conceal." To conceal merchandise so that, although there may be some notice of its presence, it is not visible through ordinary observation.


    "Full retail value." The merchant's stated or advertised price of the merchandise.


    "Merchandise." Any goods, chattels, foodstuffs or wares of any type and description, regardless of the value thereof.


    "Merchant." An owner or operator of any retail mercantile establishment or any agent, employee, lessee, consignee, officer, director, franchisee or independent contractor of such owner or operator.


    "Premises of a retail mercantile establishment." Includes but is not limited to, the retail mercantile establishment any common use areas in shopping centers and all parking areas set aside by a merchant or on behalf of a merchant for the parking of vehicles for the convenience of the patrons of such retail mercantile establishment.


    "Store or other retail mercantile establishment." A place where merchandise is displayed, held, stored or sold or offered to the public for sale.


    "Under-ring." To cause the cash register or other sales recording device to reflect less than the full retail value of the merchandise.


    (g) Fingerprinting.--Prior to the commencement of trial or entry of plea of a defendant 16 years of age or older accused of the summary offense of retail theft, the issuing authority shall order the defendant to submit within five days of such order for fingerprinting by the municipal police of the jurisdiction in which the offense allegedly was committed or the State Police. Fingerprints so obtained shall be forwarded immediately to the Pennsylvania State Police for determination as to whether or not the defendant previously has been convicted of the offense of retail theft. The results of such determination shall be forwarded to the Police Department obtaining the fingerprints if such department is the prosecutor, or to the issuing authority if the prosecutor is other than a police officer. The issuing authority shall not proceed with the trial or plea in summary cases until in receipt of the determination made by the State Police. The magisterial district judge shall use the information obtained solely for the purpose of grading the offense pursuant to subsection (b).
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    Default Re: Retail Theft charges a disqualifier?

    well she has to complete the community service still, she already completed the ARD class. She said she only took 3 tank tops which were valued at around 50 dollars but the girl she was with, whos idea it was, took around 400 dollars worth of retail. She said since they were together they put the total in both thier names however.

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    Default Re: Retail Theft charges a disqualifier?

    Did you look in the public dockets? I'd double check the classing of the charge, IE: S1, M1,M2,M3, etc..

    Then she should check with an attorney to whether everything was expunged, and if there were conditions set.
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    Default Re: Retail Theft charges a disqualifier?

    If she is in ARD, once she has completed everything, the charges SHOULD be expunged. Sometimes it's done automatically, sometimes you have to pay to file a paper. While it won't show up on a regular background check, court dockets never die.

    However, if it is expunged and an employeer looks up the court dockets online to find her, they can't use it against her or even ask about it. If your Act 33 comes back clear, it's clear, no matter what any docket says. And if they do, they get into big trouble and it opens them up to civil suits...


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