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July 18th, 2013, 12:08 PM #41
Re: State/local law on discharging a firearm?
Do you find any irony in your post considering your signature line?
As I wrote in my post, it depends on the totality of the circumstances. You sound like every gun-grabber to ever come down the pike. "Think of the children!" Do you know the circumstances? I don't, but I certainly don't automatically presume because children are in the vicinity that it must be a crime.
I've seen townhouse communities that back onto open property. I wouldn't have a problem with someone in their yard shooting into a dirt mound in such a situation. I would have a problem with someone shooting from their yard toward other townhouses.
'Recklessly Endangering' requires certain elements be met to prove the crime. It is a much different burden than a township ordinance that restricts shooting."A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself"
"He created the game, played the game, and lost the game.... All under his own terms, by his own doing." JW34
"Tolerance is the lube that helps slip the dildo of dysfunction into the ass of a civilized society." Plato
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July 18th, 2013, 12:55 PM #42
Re: State/local law on discharging a firearm?
"A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself"
"He created the game, played the game, and lost the game.... All under his own terms, by his own doing." JW34
"Tolerance is the lube that helps slip the dildo of dysfunction into the ass of a civilized society." Plato
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July 18th, 2013, 01:17 PM #43Banned
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Re: State/local law on discharging a firearm?
I'll jump in on this just because.
First: I don't quite understand PAFormerConstable's post on his 26+ acres concerning the target shooting. Is he saying he no longer shoots ANY target practice at all? Or he simply doesn't shoot any target practice at this 12 acre plot that is located near these fussy neighbors? I need some clarification here.
Second: Mrg5166...something. Hey dude..your getting pretty worked up about something small here. I think what the PSP is saying is that when he walks into a situation it's based upon "FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES" and he uses his judgement to determine if there is an immediate threat to public safety. If you objectively go back and read his post, it's pretty clear he has made that statement obvious. MRG5166.... has tossed in this "alcohol" issue as if a party of "motorcycle thugs" are downing their third 5th of whisky and have no control of their arms or hands and shooting is just willy-nilly. HMMmmm... I don't think that's the case. While I agree that firearms and alcohol have no place together, not all people think alike. Some people can drink a six pack and function like they have just drank a glass of milk. I still don't want to shoot with these people, but I'm just saying...... So, if Mr. PSP has determined that the public is not in any type of danger, he perhaps tells said target shooters that continued use of alcohol and firearms, along with a second visit may change things.
Now, that may not be MRG5166...'s viewpoint, but not everyone on the planet is trained like an engineer. (i.e.: If it fits into a formula.....then arrest it) And I'm glad for that.
PS, I have had to call the PSP on a few occasions and have always found them to be helpful, diligent and use reasonable judgement in resolving any disputes.
FIWI
Dave
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July 18th, 2013, 02:34 PM #44
Re: State/local law on discharging a firearm?
A residential area and discharging firearms don't have anything to do with the law on a state level. What is so hard for you to comprehend?
What needed de-escalating? To my knowledge and reading this thread, there was no face to face confrontation between anyone. So what needs de-escalated? Why don't you, being a good neighbor, speak with the men shooting and express your concerns? Why do you expect Police to enforce laws that don't exist?
CL
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July 18th, 2013, 03:14 PM #45
Re: State/local law on discharging a firearm?
I'll bet he'd be singing a different tune if an officer stopped him for open or concealed carry and had a chat with him about the dangers of carrying a firearm. Told him he was more likely to have it used against him than he does of using it against a bad guy.
It's very apparent Mrg that you sold your soul to the state. Shame on you for believing that law enforcement should enforce opinion and forbid those things the officer believes "just aren't right" regardless of criminal behavior. It's a crime or it isn't. I suppose you are of the opinion that law enforcement should arrest everyone and let the lawyers sort it out.
I never worked that way. Your discomfort was not a reason for me to intervene unless your discomfort was a result of a criminal violation of the law."A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself"
"He created the game, played the game, and lost the game.... All under his own terms, by his own doing." JW34
"Tolerance is the lube that helps slip the dildo of dysfunction into the ass of a civilized society." Plato
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July 18th, 2013, 03:50 PM #46
Re: State/local law on discharging a firearm?
There is a movie called "End of Watch." Fairly new movie about cops in LA. The point of this post is please rent, buy, or some how or another, watch the first 45 seconds of the movie.
The officer says "I the police. I enforce the law. I will arrest you. I did not write the law. I might not agree with the law. But I will enforce the law."
See how that opening statement fits into your hypothetical world of make believe law? No law, no crime, no arrest, no nothing.
CL
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July 18th, 2013, 03:58 PM #47Banned
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Re: State/local law on discharging a firearm?
No. I can pretty much tell you that I would....and I have called my local police department when some ass-hat has shot a rifle behind my house. Of course, my local police guy who showed up happen to graduate high school with the fellow who took a shot at the doe that was standing on my property....and he missed (How he missed a 40 yard shot tells you the time he spent at a range) and the ass-hat was inside the 150 yard safety zone. I won't mention that the rifle was pointed at my home, but there was a 30 foot bank he shot into as a backstop so I knew I was fairly safe. (It was my 30 foot bank of course).
You can pretty much figure out how this turned out, but I wasn't looking to fry this idiot. I just wanted him to never hunt behind my home again with a high powered rifle. Bow or crossbow....not a problem. Rifle....BIG problem.
Now, had this been a target practice faced towards my house....different matter. But just over the hill from me I hear target 22's go off in the summer about 2 to 3 nights a week. In 7 years nobody's died yet.
Oh, I'm not the one shooting.
And BTW....exactly what do you want the PSP to do? It's not their job to enforce local ordinance. If there is a local ordnance concerning shooting ranges, then call the local cops. Why is that concept tough to understand?
DaveLast edited by DavidTM; July 18th, 2013 at 04:02 PM.
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July 18th, 2013, 06:44 PM #48Banned
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Re: State/local law on discharging a firearm?
Then just stomp on down to every township meeting and keep screaming at your township commissioners that you want and need a local police force to keep your local township enacted laws in force. Oh, and be prepared for a property tax hike to pay for that.
Because quite frankly, I'm tired of paying State taxes so that the PSP have to "cover" your local township for police and law enforcement. Where I live I pay township taxes that pay for our township police.
So.....put up or shut up.
Dave
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July 18th, 2013, 08:45 PM #49Junior Member
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Re: State/local law on discharging a firearm?
The 'firing line' of persons who were target shooting, soberly, were Allentown police officers who were meeting after work, and two gun dealers, 5 times a year...hardly a threat to good order. The borough was at least 2,000' away at 9:00 from the direction we were shooting...which also was inline with the successive other quarries that comprise the borough's 240 acres...almost entirely rural. If you look at Chapman Borough from Google Earth, you'll recognize that there's more vacant land than occupied by the homeowners by 10 to 1.
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