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    Default Allegheny County SWAT not happy campers

    I heard today there are more than a few ruffled feathers in the County police force.
    Seems they are very unhappy that several south hill communities (South Hills Area Council of Governments (SHACOG)) have gotten together and formed their own unit CIRT. Critical Incident Response Team. Now I'm hearing that the City of Pittsburgh Police department is interested in joining the south hills communities venture.

    Must have played havoc with the Allegheny County police brass ability to ask for more money for more man power.

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    Default Re: Allegheny County SWAT not happy campers

    Lets look at the term S.W.A.T., Special Weapons and Tactics. The more
    teams, it divides valuable resources from the whole. What level of training
    is going to be maintained, and at what cost. If standards are not going to
    be the highest, I would fear that the more SWAT, CRT, ERT, HRT, will be
    nothing more than a Law Suit looking for a place to happen. I observed
    a SWAT competition in central PA., in which marksmanship skills would make
    you cringe. There has to be "serious" thought given to these teams being
    formed.
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    Default Re: Allegheny County SWAT not happy campers

    It's trendy to carry "military gear", and look like a badass...

    Plus it gives a false sense of security to "the people".

    Look for more and more of these "units" to pop up all over the place.

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    Default Re: Allegheny County SWAT not happy campers

    Quote Originally Posted by Emptymag View Post
    It's trendy to carry "military gear", and look like a badass...

    Plus it gives a false sense of security to "the people".

    Look for more and more of these "units" to pop up all over the place.
    My thoughts too!
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    Default Re: Allegheny County SWAT not happy campers

    Their uniforms remind me of the Village People. You know the "guys" that sang Y.M.C.A........accidents waiting to happen under the guise of security and first response. See http://www.cato.org/raidmap/# botched paramilitary police raids.

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    Default Re: Allegheny County SWAT not happy campers

    Quote Originally Posted by Emptymag View Post
    It's trendy to carry "military gear", and look like a badass...

    Plus it gives a false sense of security to "the people".

    Look for more and more of these "units" to pop up all over the place.

    Its also trendy in the world to have a police state aura, with a SWAT type gear officers it keeps us as hip as China.
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    Default Re: Allegheny County SWAT not happy campers

    Quote Originally Posted by Emptymag View Post
    It's trendy to carry "military gear", and look like a badass...

    Plus it gives a false sense of security to "the people".

    Look for more and more of these "units" to pop up all over the place.
    And also look for more of these egotistical assholes get their heads blown off when they go busting into the wrong homes on one of those no-knock warrants they seem to get an adrenaline rush from.
    " The Seeds of Oppression Will One Day Bear The Fruit of Rebellion."

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    Default Re: Allegheny County SWAT not happy campers

    I personally do not like to see Police officers wearing any type of Military gear. I like to see officers in Traditional uniforms, dressy, classy, not polo shirts or BDU style pants. Makes em look like crap. Just my opinion.

    As an insider in LE, the people do not realize its all about politics and not about serving the people. If people truly knew how unorganized, unprofessional, uneducated, and ass backwards police were as a whole, I think there would be an uprising.

    I support the idea of special response teams to very demanding situations. How many and where they are, who knows. I would say it would depend on the need of the community. Training, I have no doubt all the teams would meet the minimum, acceptable levels. Now, would they be the best, I doubt it as it goes to politics for the members of the team. The best won't be selected in all the positions.

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    Default Re: Allegheny County SWAT not happy campers

    Quote Originally Posted by tes151 View Post
    And also look for more of these egotistical assholes get their heads blown off when they go busting into the wrong homes on one of those no-knock warrants they seem to get an adrenaline rush from.

    I find myself typing this again....NO KNOCK WARRANTS can not be done in PA.
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    Default Re: Allegheny County SWAT not happy campers

    Quote Originally Posted by ar15jules View Post
    I find myself typing this again....NO KNOCK WARRANTS can not be done in PA.
    Jules
    Yea, it looks like someone was spending time on AR15COM.

    I can't speak for all the "special" teams in PA but I can tell you that the York County team trains hard, works hard, and holds themselves to the highest expectations.
    A group of officers can not just get together and form a SWAT team. They have to meet training and certification requirements for the state before they are sanctioned.
    Some teams are better than others, those teams put more time into training, pure and simple.

    "It's trendy to carry "military gear", and look like a badass...

    Plus it gives a false sense of security to "the people".

    Look for more and more of these "units" to pop up all over the place.
    "

    Sorry but the beginning part of this quote is just bullshit.
    Most of these guys volunteer to put their lives on the line, many were prior military so the whole "military gear" and look badass thing is shit. Many of the guys I know spent time in the sandbox and other places while most of us watched the events of the last 10 years or so from our sofas. Do you have any idea what it's like to spend 12-14 hours laying in a drainage ditch not eating, drinking or getting any rest because there is no one to relieve you? The gear these officers wear is to protect their lives, not look badass. From the camo fatigues to the body armor and helmets, to the gas masks and SCBA tanks, the gear they wear helps these guys get home to their families.
    And where does the false sense of security idea come from? I'd bet that most of the residents in York County don't even know we have a SWAT team, let alone have "secure feelings" because it exists. They are in the newspapers and on TV once or twice a year, when something really bad goes down and the officers end up using lethal force. Other than that, no one ever hears about the teams. You don't hear about the other 30-50 call-outs they have each year. The ones where they diffuse the situation, the negotiation team talks the subject into giving up and not a shot was fired.

    I don't know if the problem is fear or jealousy but it's really getting ridiculous with the amount of cop/SWAT bashing that's been going on, not only here but on the other two big boards. They are not going to come crashing through your door accidentally, they aren't going to show up and shoot your dog, and they are not out to take away your guns. Pro-gun people bitch and complain when the antis dig out and use the one time a CCW'er uses a gun illegally, but turn around and to the same thing to the people in blue.

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