Suggestion for firearm classified sticky/notice

[Ilikebuckets]

Thanks to the Safer Community Act supported by several Republicans who are either brain dead or traitors (possibly both) and the recent ATF rule change, I would suggest a sticky reflecting the changes in what constitutes a dealer, the need for an FFL to sell and what could potentially land someone who is unfamiliar with the new rule in trouble.

Either a link to the ATF rule with a brief summary, or if someone in authority here has a good understanding. A nice explanation. As much as I don*t like the rule, it can impact people selling in the classifieds. A heads up may save some people who don*t follow current events trouble down the road.

As a reminder, the turncoats in the Senate who worked with Biden and the Democrats to stab the 2nd in the back allowing this rule. I regret the times I voted and supported Toomey.

Roy Blunt, Missouri
Richard Burr, North Carolina
Shelley Moore Capito, West Virginia
Bill Cassidy. Louisiana
Susan Collins, Maine
John Cornyn, Texas
Joni Ernst, Iowa
Lindsey Graham, South Carolina
Mitch McConnell, Kentucky
Lisa Murkowski, Alaska
Rob Portman, Ohio
Mitt Romney, Utah
Thom Tillis, North Carolina
Pat Toomey, Pennsylvania
Todd Young, Indiana

[esh21167]

Most of those are not surprising.

[Ilikebuckets]

Here are a couple of attorneys discussing the rule and implications. If you are interested, I would skip to the 9 minute mark to start watching.

[Ilikebuckets]

And the same attorneys answering viewer questions about the rule.

[Delkal]

There is nothing in the new rules that stops anyone from selling as many of their personally owned guns as they want. And I won't deal with someone if I think they are a flipper.

[Ilikebuckets]

There is nothing in the new rules that stops anyone from selling as many of their personally owned guns as they want. And I won't deal with someone if I think they are a flipper.

Are any of the guns in your collection self defense guns?

[Delkal]

Are any of the guns in your collection self defense guns?

What does that matter? Read the actual rule and not this BS the sky is falling clickbait. You will see the rule clarified that sales of firearms from a personal collection is OK and is specifically targeting people who sell guns to flip.

[Ilikebuckets]

What does that matter? Read the actual rule and not this BS the sky is falling clickbait. You will see the rule clarified that sales of firearms from a personal collection is OK and is specifically targeting people who sell guns to flip.

It*s not really clickbait, it says its going to break down the rule and it does what it say. In the video it talks about the rule and self defense guns. I have not read the entire rule, but had skimmed it. Before posting my question to you I did check the primary source to support the statement in the video. This was the source I checked. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...2024-07838.pdf

If you*ve read the rule you know that a gun that bought or you use for self defense is not covered by the term *personal collection and that*s *why it matters*. the AFT rule defines what a personal collection is. Unfortunately it is not how I would have defined it or expected it to mean using common sense. The rule specifically clarifies that firearms accumulated primarily for self-protection are not included in the definition of personal collection. It says *In addition, the term shall not include firearms accumulated primary for personal protection*.

It defines personal collection as firearms that a person accumulates for study, comparison, exhibition, or for a hobby (hunting, skeet, competition shooting). It goes a lot more in depth in the rule.

Maybe it does not mean what I think it means? If you have another take please let me know.

[Delkal]

It*s not really clickbait, it says its going to break down the rule and it does what it say. In the video it talks about the rule and self defense guns. I have not read the entire rule, but had skimmed it. Before posting my question to you I did check the primary source to support the statement in the video. This was the source I checked. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...2024-07838.pdf

If you*ve read the rule you know that a gun that bought or you use for self defense is not covered by the term *personal collection. the AFT rule defines what a personal collection is. Unfortunately it is not how I would have defined it or expected it to mean using common sense. The rule specifically clarifies that firearms accumulated primarily for self-protection are not included in the definition of personal collection. It says *In addition, the term shall not include firearms accumulated primary for personal protection*.

It defines personal collection as firearms that a person accumulates for study, comparison, exhibition, or for a hobby (hunting, skeet, competition shooting). It goes a lot more in depth in the rule.

Maybe it does not mean what I think it means? If you have another take please let me know.

From what I see not counting firearms for self-protection were in the older laws. This new bill clarified that this is not the case and you can sell them. There is a lot of bitching and misinformation about this bill but for gun owners who are not flipping guns this rule is a win.

Sounds clear to me....

Under the GCA and this rule, a person
who **makes occasional sales,
exchanges, or purchases of firearms for
the enhancement of a personal
collection or for a hobby, or who sells
all or part of the person*s personal
collection of firearms** is not **engaged
in the business** of dealing firearms.
§ 478.13(a). In addition, nothing in the
GCA or this rule precludes a person
from lawfully purchasing firearms for
self-protection or other lawful personal
use, or making isolated sales of such
firearms without devoting time,
attention, and labor to dealing in
firearms as a regular course of trade or
business. A single or isolated sale of a
firearm that generates pecuniary gain to
help make ends meet, care for loved
ones, or pay for food, rent or other
obligations would not alone be
sufficient to qualify as being engaged in
the business; instead, there would need
to be additional conduct indicative of
firearms dealing within the meaning of
the GCA. Similarly, persons who
liquidate (without restocking) all or part
of their personal collection are not
considered to be engaged in the
business and may use the proceeds for
lawful purposes, including those
mentioned above. However, a person
could still be engaged in the business
even when they are using proceeds to
make ends meet, care for loved ones, or
pay for food, rent, or other obligations
if they were to engage in additional
conduct that is indicative of firearms
dealing within the meaning of the GCA.

[Ilikebuckets]

From what I see not counting firearms for self-protection were in the older laws. This new bill clarified that this is not the case and you can sell them. There is a lot of bitching and misinformation about this bill but for gun owners who are not flipping guns this rule is a win.

Sounds clear to me....

I found what you are referring to on page 30 of the rule. I will check it out closer when i have the patience to parse through.