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February 26th, 2024, 01:03 PM #21Super Member
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Re: Can a private rifle range club video record its members without their knowledge?
I appreciate your opinion. But if a someone is filming you without your consent or knowledge while on private property not open to the public without giving notice and no one knows where that footage is stored, who has access to it, and when/where it is distributed then yes I think it would fall under legal issues. Not sure where you get your information from but it sounds as though you are confused and very argumentative. I*m looking for facts here and while I do appreciate your input I think you have missed the point of camouflaged cameras, no written notice, no warning, and unwanted filming of minors.
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February 26th, 2024, 01:42 PM #22
Re: Can a private rifle range club video record its members without their knowledge?
Well....I dunno what to tell you man. Hire a lawyer, make your case.
Not sure where you get your information from but it sounds as though you are confused and very argumentative.
I*m looking for facts here and while I do appreciate your input I think you have missed the point of camouflaged cameras, no written notice, no warning, and unwanted filming of minors.
1). I put a camera on top of my house.
2). I point it at your house.
3). I install it in such a way that you don't know it's there.
4). I don't tell you about it.
5). I capture footage of your clothed children playing in your yard - which is your private property, but clearly seen from the road.
6). I do whatever I want to with that footage.
I've broken no laws.
Now assume I do the following:
1). I put a camera in a tree somewhere on on my property.
2). I use my property a private gun club.
3). I install it in such a way that you don't know it's there.
4). I don't tell you about it.
5). I capture footage of your clothed children at my gun range - which is my private property, that I allow you access to
6). I do whatever I want to with that footage.
I've broken no laws.
Note well that I don't necessarily think this is how it SHOULD BE, only that it is (in my understanding) how it ACTUALLY IS. I understand your objections - I just don't think you "have a case", as it were.Last edited by free; February 26th, 2024 at 02:17 PM.
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February 26th, 2024, 02:32 PM #23
Re: Can a private rifle range club video record its members without their knowledge?
"He who is Brave, is Free" Seneca
Si vis pacem, Para bellum
To every man upon this earth, death cometh, soon or late
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February 26th, 2024, 02:40 PM #24Super Member
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Re: Can a private rifle range club video record its members without their knowledge?
everything i have seen for just video recording says the property owner sets the rules on private property. there is no requirement to inform as far as i could find in PA for just video. audio recording would be a different issue in PA. i would raise this concern in a meeting and see who and why it was being done.
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February 26th, 2024, 02:55 PM #25
Re: Can a private rifle range club video record its members without their knowledge?
You have a right to privacy when there is an expectation of privacy. Your voice can be recorded in private properties if there isn't an expectation of privacy. It isn't about the type of property, it is about the expectation.
Your conversation can be recorded in a restaurant while dining, and many other private properties. It cannot be recorded when in a setting, where the talking party expects the conversation to be private. ...like if you went to some place within the establishment where nobody else is around so that you could talk with the intended person hearing to be the only person to receive the conversation.RIP: SFN, 1861, twoeggsup, Lambo, jamesjo, JayBell, 32 Magnum, Pro2A, mrwildroot, dregan, Frenchy, Fragger, ungawa, Mtn Jack, Grapeshot, R.W.J., PennsyPlinker, Statkowski, Deanimator, roland, aubie515
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February 26th, 2024, 03:16 PM #26Super Member
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Re: Can a private rifle range club video record its members without their knowledge?
Assume that you own and run a business. You are secretly recording people without their knowledge or consent. Every single business ( private clubs are businesses) has a camera warning posted. None of their cameras are disguised. In the situation you describe with us being neighbors…you wouldn’t want to be my neighbor. And yes you are argumentative. Your tone and choice of verbiage shows you are more concerned with arguing than helping. Maybe you should look into that as well.
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February 26th, 2024, 03:32 PM #27Super Member
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Re: Can a private rifle range club video record its members without their knowledge?
i couldnt find any law that requires the notification for the use of video only cameras for PA. can you cite a law that says you must inform people they are being only video recorded in PA? recording audio is a concern because of PA wiretapping law. the only thing i could find for video only recording restrictions are places like bathrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms, hotel rooms, etc
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February 26th, 2024, 03:33 PM #28
Re: Can a private rifle range club video record its members without their knowledge?
Its a courtesy.
In the situation you describe with us being neighbors*you wouldn*t want to be my neighbor.
And yes you are argumentative. Your tone and choice of verbiage shows you are more concerned with arguing than helping. Maybe you should look into that as well.
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February 26th, 2024, 03:38 PM #29Super Member
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February 26th, 2024, 03:47 PM #30Super Member
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Re: Can a private rifle range club video record its members without their knowledge?
I cannot find any laws at all concerning how a private run business can record its members. Obviously the voice recording thing is an issue as even retail establishments, schools, etc. cannot record voice on their camera systems.
That being said, this club has not raised any concerns with vandalism to its membership. It has not had any problems with people doing dumb things and for the most part everything is/was maintained well by its membership. A newer set of folks have been put on the BOD and more and more rules are being put in place for some reason. No mention to any members of trail cams being installed.
My reasonable expectation of privacy on a private range i paid to belong to is just that*reasonable. With no real reason why they would install these cameras i would have zero reason to believe such a thing was being used. The big questions are, since no members have to register their vehicles by plate number with the club, no photos were taken for club IDs, and no problems with range destruction, what are they collecting the images and perhaps voice bits for? Who decided to do it? Where is this data being sent to and stored at? Who has access to this data and why? None of this seems to strike me as a warranted measure.
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