Big cities going downhill

**JaySmith** · November 3rd, 2023, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Delkal

Carrying is a given....but body armor?

Mostly for practice, but it can't hurt. And under a sweatshirt you can't tell.

**tlnzz1** · November 3rd, 2023, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Delkal

But then they get gentrified and young people move in. Its the circle of life.

I don't think cities are worse now than in the 70's and except for the ghetto areas they are safer. Just look what is happening to Bethlehem.

FJB --- "Ca'mon man", we don't have "getto areas", there inner-city reservations. (sarc)

**Sparks** · November 3rd, 2023, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Ronin

In the 20 yrs I used to commute in Philly, I never once felt a need to wear body armor.

Worked downtown 30+ years taking the El. Last 10 of those carried everyday, never wanted armor.
Since the Covid and the Floyd celebrations it's been a major change.

**Krichardson** · November 3rd, 2023, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Delkal

But then they get gentrified and young people move in. Its the circle of life.

I don't think cities are worse now than in the 70's and except for the ghetto areas they are safer. Just look what is happening to Bethlehem.

.....what is happening there?

**JaySmith** · November 3rd, 2023, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Sparks

Worked downtown 30+ years taking the El. Last 10 of those carried everyday, never wanted armor.
Since the Covid and the Floyd celebrations it's been a major change.

The animals are rabid and feral. Today was no different. I lost count of people just driving up the shoulder and cutting over. Red lights? Optional. It was complete madness.

**Pag23** · November 3rd, 2023, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by JaySmith

The animals are rabid and feral. Today was no different. I lost count of people just driving up the shoulder and cutting over. Red lights? Optional. It was complete madness.

Yup...you should have brought a plate carrier in the vehicle...

**Pag23** · November 3rd, 2023, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Ronin

In the 20 yrs I used to commute in Philly, I never once felt a need to wear body armor.

I worked in Philly as well...never had many problems if you kept aware of your surroundings....times are different now

**2DogsBarking** · November 3rd, 2023, 08:00 PM

I got the GP-100 3" Wiley Clapp 357 just for driving - why? Leaves no brass.
My Rem 870 rides with me cruiser-ready every day now.................................