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    Default Choosing AR Bolt/Carrier Group (5.56/.223 & 7.62x39)

    Ok, Other than a rear sight and BCG, all my AR parts are essentially ordered or in.

    I need some advice on quality bolts/bolt carrier groups.

    I'm shying away from M16 carriers due to BATF "interpretations" on FA parts in semis so that kills the ION Bond Bravo company BCG (http://global-tactical.com/bravocomp...utofstock.aspx) that I really want.

    So I'm looking for reliability, durability, and easy cleaning. If all I need to do is add an extractor enhancement (D-fender or the like) and torque/stake the carrier key - that is not a deterrent but a chance to learn.

    Please, your thoughts/experiences on:

    RRA ($125 from ADCO - I'm running RRA Upper/Lower/LPK if it matters)

    DPMS in Chrome ($152 on discount - http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...eitemid=333375)
    DPMS in TiN ($202 on discount - http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...eitemid=446331)

    Known Good Quality:
    LMT ($130 http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/LMT-B...g-lmt-ar15.htm)

    Premium:
    Young National Match Chrome ($215 - http://global-tactical.com/youngnati...pcomplete.aspx)

    Super Premium:
    JP Stainless Tactical Carrier ($180 Carrier Only - http://www.jprifles.com/buy.php?item=JPBC-2)
    JP/Leitnerwise ($159 Bolt/FPin/CamPin Only - http://www.jprifles.com/1.4.7.php#1)

    Basically, I've got the DPMS Chrome and TiN on Back Order at Midway but have heard mixed things about the TiN damaging hammers, buffers,
    & uppers and about consistancy w/ the chrome plating for clearance. Some seem to love them. Don't care about the eye-candy but want extra durability, cleanability and lube tolerance if possible.

    Should I cancel them and drop back to a LMT or CMT - high quality, peened/inspected but "no frills", maybe later try out a JP/LW super BCG, or do any of the DPMS plating upgrades make sense?



    Also on a 7.62x39 Bolt - Will the DPMS bolt run with Wolf (maybe w/ the firing pin mod) or do I NEED to go with the MGI (http://www.mgimilitary.com/store/ind...8ac2c3f975dbf1) for twice as much

    Sorry for the ramble, but there are a lot of choices & factors.

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    Default Re: Choosing AR Bolt/Carrier Group (5.56/.223 & 7.62x39)

    The TiN parts look hella cool, but if you're going to get a tin bolt you should ge tthe tin hammer as well.

    Really since you have RRA...everything. I'd get RRA.

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    Default Re: Choosing AR Bolt/Carrier Group (5.56/.223 & 7.62x39)

    I don't know much about ARs but from what I've read ... LMT and BCM are top notch BCGs.

    But I agree with Kaos ... you have RRA everything else, might as well try the RRA BCG
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    Default Re: Choosing AR Bolt/Carrier Group (5.56/.223 & 7.62x39)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaos View Post
    The TiN parts look hella cool, but if you're going to get a tin bolt you should ge tthe tin hammer as well.

    Really since you have RRA...everything. I'd get RRA.

    No can do on the TiN hammer as I'm installing the RRA/WhiteOak 2-Stage. RRA might be be the safe bet, although I'd prefer the LMT if there is no adverse aspect in the RRA Upper reciever.

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    Default Re: Choosing AR Bolt/Carrier Group (5.56/.223 & 7.62x39)

    Quote Originally Posted by -JD- View Post
    ... although I'd prefer the LMT if there is no adverse aspect in the RRA Upper reciever.
    Care to explain to a newbie why there could be any adverse interactions with the RRA upper?
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    If the police could confiscate all of your guns and ammo using just one van, then you didn't own enough guns or ammo.
    WTB - NDS3 or NDS1 receiver FTF

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    Default Re: Choosing AR Bolt/Carrier Group (5.56/.223 & 7.62x39)

    Quote Originally Posted by mojo View Post
    Care to explain to a newbie why there could be any adverse interactions with the RRA upper?
    I'm an AR newbie too - Just lots of lurking/reading to date.

    Shouldn't be any, but I understand RRA's purportedly are fairly tight fits (at least as far as lower-to-upper mating) and wondered if someone might have heard of a bad cases of conflicting large BCG vs. small receiver interference at the tolerance limits.

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    Default Re: Choosing AR Bolt/Carrier Group (5.56/.223 & 7.62x39)

    http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...f=124&t=393744

    I'm pissed at spike's tactical for the shit they did with the price of their lowers but...that BCG is sexy.

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    Default Re: Choosing AR Bolt/Carrier Group (5.56/.223 & 7.62x39)

    You're incorrect on the M16 BCG / ATF issue. Or GTS is. Whatever, the ATF issued a letter stating it is OK to use an M16 BCG in a semi-auto AR15.
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    Default Re: Choosing AR Bolt/Carrier Group (5.56/.223 & 7.62x39)

    Don't rule out the Young non-NM BCG. Great buy for the money IMHO.

    http://global-tactical.com/youngm16c...pcomplete.aspx


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    Default Re: Choosing AR Bolt/Carrier Group (5.56/.223 & 7.62x39)

    Go with the LMT or BCM FA BCG's and never worry about it again.
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