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    Default Firearms training is always good.........

    Failing to fully explain the sight offset of an AR rifle is.......priceless

    Everything looks okay at this point


    Umm.....this will buff out, right?


    Okay.....a new window and a little body work and we'll be good to go......

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    OOPS!!!...I bet that was a shock!


    Glock Pistols.......So simple a Caveman could fix them!

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    DAMN!!!!!!!!

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    Default Re: Firearms training is always good.........

    is that a standard method of using a car for cover?

    my non-expert self would think she isn't really getting a whole lot of protection from the car there...and that it would be better to put the engine between you and the bad guy?

    (in my experience, sheet metal is not particularly good at stopping bullets.)

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    An up close and personal lesson on diminishing holdover.
    27hand

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    The drill was designed to train the officers to deploy the rifles. We carry our rifles in the trunk. No dept around here, that I know of does this type of training. The officer may have to do this for real an hour from now.

    The drill was for the officer to engage three pepper poppers from inside the vehicle. The first was at 10 o'clock, so this was engaged while still seated in the vehicle. The next two were to the front so the officer opened the door, leaned out and engaged those two.

    I then told the officer they needed to deploy the rifle, so they had to pop the trunk, access the rifle and immediately engage a threat. After this threat was engaged, the officer moved to another piece of cover not seen and engaged the last threat.

    The threat the officer is engaging is at about 1 o'clock so the officer is behind the full length of the vehicle as cover. The ideal "cover" would have been behind the engine block, but that was not the drill I was looking for. I wanted the officer to get the rifle and engage the threat "now"!

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    i see. thanks for the explanation steve.

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    Steve, have you had any empty casings floating around in the defrost vents?

    I took a John Farnam class a few years back where we engaged targets from inside our vehicles( one handed out the passenger window and essentially a modified high retention hold on the pistol to keep the muzzle inside the car for drivers side shots). I guess from past experiences, he had us stuff cloth into the defrost vents saying that the casings sometimes rattle around in there when you turn on the fan blower.

    I found some months after the class in nooks and crannies.

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    LOL.....yeah, we find shell casings in all the weirdest spots.

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    I'm in the process of uploading more pictures. One thing you have to remember, mistakes in techniques are addressed immediately. So while you may see someting askew in a certain picture, the issue was brought to the attention of the officer and the drill run again.

    I don't want to say I accept the officer doing something wrong, but I use these pictures in my power point. So if an officer is using not using cover effectively.......like sticking their body out too far, I can use that to demonstrate to others what the problem is.

    People learn best by visual means.

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