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    Default Re: Notice from ATF on new 4473 (19-May-2020)

    Quote Originally Posted by 57springer View Post
    yeah ?? Explanation please ?
    There have been numerous reports of ATF photographing or copying large numbers of 4473s when they inspect FFLs in direct violation of laws prohibiting them from assembling a gun registry. This new 4473 makes it easier to collect the data by consolidating the firearm data and owner info to one page, as already explained by gunlawyer and others.

    GOA warned us this would happen and most gun owners ignored the request for public comments opposing the change. Then ATF did what they wanted anyway. Color me shocked.

    http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=358664
    I am not a lawyer.

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    Default Re: Notice from ATF on new 4473 (19-May-2020)

    Most of my guns have non-binary triggers

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    Default Re: Notice from ATF on new 4473 (19-May-2020)

    If gun owners are now allowed to pretend to be other genders, can we pretend our guns are different models on the form?

    "No, Mr. ATF agent, that's not a SBR, it's a single shot 22LR version of the Ruger LCP. It's pink because 'Man, I feel like a woman'."



    It's just matching lunacy with equal lunacy.

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    Default Re: Notice from ATF on new 4473 (19-May-2020)

    Last time I bought a gun at a retail store was at Tanner's about 6 months ago. Form I had to complete wanted me to provide my race. I'm not super sensitive, just a middle class white guy, but I think it should be illegal for the state to demand I provide my race to exercise my 2nd Amendment rights. I was told by the seller the racial declaration was mandatory. Hopefully this will someday be struck down by the courts

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    Default Re: Notice from ATF on new 4473 (19-May-2020)

    Quote Originally Posted by bogey1 View Post
    What "is" non binary anyway?

    Neither fish nor fowl.

    Biologically, humans have two sexes, M & F, or so we have been previously taught. When its been an "either-or" situation (on-off, yes-no, up-down, high-low, black-white, M-F, etc.) it's known as "binary".

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  6. #36
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    Default Re: Notice from ATF on new 4473 (19-May-2020)

    Filled out a medical connect form recently. SEX boxes provided: Male Female Other

    Picture a hospital practitioner looking at a chart prep to bedside exam and being forearmed with the helpful knowledge that the patient is an other.
    There are two kinds of guns. Those I have acquired, and those I hope to.

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    Default Re: Notice from ATF on new 4473 (19-May-2020)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bang View Post
    Filled out a medical connect form recently. SEX boxes provided: Male Female Other

    Picture a hospital practitioner looking at a chart prep to bedside exam and being forearmed with the helpful knowledge that the patient is an other.

    Go in for a hysterectomy and you wind up with your balls tied off.

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    Default Re: Notice from ATF on new 4473 (19-May-2020)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bang View Post
    Filled out a medical connect form recently. SEX boxes provided: Male Female Other

    Picture a hospital practitioner looking at a chart prep to bedside exam and being forearmed with the helpful knowledge that the patient is an other.
    Serves the same purpose as being told "patient believes in elves".
    Attorney Phil Kline, AKA gunlawyer001@gmail.com
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    Default Re: Notice from ATF on new 4473 (19-May-2020)

    Eventually we thought there would be a retina scan but with these new choices of binary option only a scan of the left nipple will suffice !

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    Default Re: Notice from ATF on new 4473 (19-May-2020)

    Here in PA it won't make any difference if there is any of that information on a 4473 they already have an illegal gun registration scheme.
    Corruption is the default behavior of government officials. JPC

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