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    Default Re: PHILADELPHIA: Man with concealed carry permit shoots 3 teens on SEPTA bus

    Quote Originally Posted by IronButt View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Will3212 View Post
    PA stand your ground law states the attacker must display a weapon in public right, what if it was multiple attackers pummeling you to a bloody pulp without weapons.

    Where does it say that?
    I believe this has been discussed in depth.
    The attacker must display a deadly weapon. With "deadly weapon" being open to opinion.
    And PA does NOT have a disparity-of-force law/clause.
    --ET

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    Default Re: PHILADELPHIA: Man with concealed carry permit shoots 3 teens on SEPTA bus

    Quote Originally Posted by Will3212 View Post
    PA stand your ground law states the attacker must display a weapon in public right, what if it was multiple attackers pummeling you to a bloody pulp without weapons.
    I'm pretty sure the requirement is "Anywhere you're lawfully permitted to be, in fear of bodily harm or death of yourself or someone nearby"

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    Default Re: PHILADELPHIA: Man with concealed carry permit shoots 3 teens on SEPTA bus

    Quote Originally Posted by pens87pgh View Post
    I'm pretty sure the requirement is "Anywhere you're lawfully permitted to be, in fear of bodily harm or death of yourself or someone nearby"
    To claim stand your ground while in public in PA. The attacker must display a deadly weapon.

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    Default Re: PHILADELPHIA: Man with concealed carry permit shoots 3 teens on SEPTA bus

    Quote Originally Posted by Will3212 View Post
    To claim stand your ground while in public in PA. The attacker must display a deadly weapon.
    Or "any other weapon readily or apparently capable of lethal use." Could be a pocket knife or baseball bat or even brass knuckles, IMO.

    That being said, if he was trapped on a bus and had no way of safely escaping, SYG is not needed to defend oneself with lethal force.
    Any mission, any conditions, any foe at any range.
    Twice the mayhem, triple the force.
    Ten times the action, total hardcore.

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    Default Re: PHILADELPHIA: Man with concealed carry permit shoots 3 teens on SEPTA bus

    Quote Originally Posted by Will3212 View Post
    PA stand your ground law states the attacker must display a weapon in public right, what if it was multiple attackers pummeling you to a bloody pulp without weapons.
    WTF are you talking about?

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    Default Re: PHILADELPHIA: Man with concealed carry permit shoots 3 teens on SEPTA bus

    Quote Originally Posted by 2DogsBarking View Post
    WTF are you talking about?
    This: https://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/L...5.005.000..HTM

    (2.3) An actor who is not engaged in a criminal activity, who is not in illegal possession of a firearm and who is attacked in any place where the actor would have a duty to retreat under paragraph (2)(ii) has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his ground and use force, including deadly force, if:

    (i) the actor has a right to be in the place where he was attacked;

    (ii) the actor believes it is immediately necessary to do so to protect himself against death, serious bodily injury, kidnapping or sexual intercourse by force or threat; and

    (iii) the person against whom the force is used displays or otherwise uses:

    (A) a firearm or replica of a firearm as defined in 42 Pa.C.S. § 9712 (relating to sentences for offenses committed with firearms); or

    (B) any other weapon readily or apparently capable of lethal use.


    (2.4) The exception to the duty to retreat set forth under paragraph (2.3) does not apply if the person against whom the force is used is a peace officer acting in the performance of his official duties and the actor using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a peace officer.
    (bold added)
    Any mission, any conditions, any foe at any range.
    Twice the mayhem, triple the force.
    Ten times the action, total hardcore.

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    Default Re: PHILADELPHIA: Man with concealed carry permit shoots 3 teens on SEPTA bus

    Quote Originally Posted by Will3212 View Post
    To claim stand your ground while in public in PA. The attacker must display a deadly weapon.
    He had no place to run he was cornered he had no other option as three people approaching with what he believed was the intent to severely injure hurt or otherwise kill him is grounds enough to claim self defense let alone stand your ground. That being said I'd wait till the verdict is in and there is more to the story.

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    Default Re: PHILADELPHIA: Man with concealed carry permit shoots 3 teens on SEPTA bus

    Quote Originally Posted by streaker69 View Post
    Should have shot the three of them in the dick so they can't spawn.
    isnt that the truth

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    Default Re: PHILADELPHIA: Man with concealed carry permit shoots 3 teens on SEPTA bus

    taxpayers as usual will pay, abortions are cheaper.

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    Default Re: PHILADELPHIA: Man with concealed carry permit shoots 3 teens on SEPTA bus

    Quote Originally Posted by mpoppel41 View Post
    taxpayers as usual will pay, abortions are cheaper.
    I think that a sterilization of some sort would be the cheapest route.
    Gender confusion is a mental illness

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